Episode Summary
Executive Summary: The episode compares Russia’s wartime economy and military position with Ukraine’s drone-driven innovation, then pivots to what Europe’s center-left can learn from successful governing models in Canada, Mexico, and Spain. The discussion emphasizes that Russia is slowing but not collapsing, Ukraine is technologically punching above its weight, and Labour’s path forward may depend on abundance, anti-poverty politics, and pragmatic industrial strategy.
Main Topics: Russia’s wartime economy is slowing, not collapsing (Priority: 5/5): Adam Tooze argues Russia’s growth has decelerated sharply in 2025, but the economy remains fiscally conservative, low-unemployment, and under strain rather than in freefall. High rates, labor shortages, and war spending are squeezing investment and inflation. Labor shortages and migration reshape Russia’s economy (Priority: 5/5): The war, emigration, and reduced migrant inflows have created severe worker shortages, giving remaining workers leverage even as some are pulled toward military service through volunteer incentives rather than formal combat conscription. Ukraine’s drone revolution is the war’s defining innovation (Priority: 5/5): Ukraine has built a large-scale drone industry that is transforming battlefield dynamics, inflicting most casualties on both sides and attracting interest from Western partners and arms manufacturers. Defense industry debates in Europe are being rewritten by the war (Priority: 4/5): Traditional arms makers like Rheinmetall are clashing with drone-oriented firms and policymakers over what future military capability should look like, with Ukraine’s battlefield experience challenging legacy procurement assumptions. Britain’s Labour crisis and the search for a center-left model (Priority: 5/5): Labour’s local election losses and Starmer’s weak standing are framed as part of a broader center-left identity crisis, with the UK drifting toward a fragmented multi-party system. Comparative lessons from Carney, Scheinbaum, and Sánchez (Priority: 4/5): The hosts examine three governing models: Carney’s abundance agenda in Canada, Scheinbaum’s anti-poverty and state-building in Mexico, and Sánchez’s socially liberal, economically successful, anti-imperial posture in Spain.
Key Arguments: Russia is experiencing a meaningful slowdown, but not an economic collapse; the real story is pressure across labor, investment, and inflation, not systemic breakdown. Russia’s labor market is exceptionally tight because of wartime losses, emigration, and fewer migrant workers, leaving workers with bargaining power even amid war mobilization. Ukraine’s drone sector is not a sideshow; it is the most important technological innovation of the war and has changed battlefield economics by creating a lethal kill zone. Western defense procurement is being challenged by Ukraine’s low-cost, rapidly iterated drone warfare, which legacy contractors often misunderstand or dismiss. Labour needs a fresh governing philosophy, and the most plausible options are some mix of abundance politics, poverty reduction, and pragmatic investment rather than traditional austerity management. Canada’s Carney shows a technocratic abundance agenda can combine housing, infrastructure, and industrial policy; Mexico’s Scheinbaum shows durable popularity can come from anti-poverty governance; Spain’s Sánchez shows a viable socially liberal, growth-friendly center-left is possible. A postwar Russian economy could face demobilization and recession risks, but peace could also bring reconstruction opportunities and reintegration into global energy markets depending on terms. No single center-left model transfers cleanly to Britain; successful politics will require local adaptation, fiscal credibility, and a clearer narrative about growth, fairness, and state capacity.
Data Points: Russian territory lost in Ukraine in April: 116 square kilometers - Used as a data point suggesting Russia is on the back foot militarily. Russian economic growth in 2024: 4% - Shows the economy had been expanding strongly earlier in the war. Expected Russian growth in 2026: 0.4% - Forecast cited as evidence of a sharp slowdown. Russian interest rate: 14.5% - Kept high to restrain inflation and reflects economic pressure. Russian deficit in first four months of the year: 2.5% of GDP - Presented as relatively conservative and smaller than the U.S. deficit. U.S. deficit comparison: More than 2.5% of GDP - Used to highlight Russia’s comparatively restrained fiscal position. Reported labor shortages among Russian enterprises: 73% - Indicates severe tightness in the Russian labor market. Russian unemployment rate: 2.3% - Described as record low. People who left Russia in 2022 and did not generally return: 650,000 - Part of the explanation for labor shortages. Estimated Russian worker shortage: 2.3 million - Overall shortage estimate across the economy. Manufacturing worker shortage in Russia: 800,000 - Subcomponent of the broader labor gap. Services and construction worker shortage in Russia: 1.5 million - Subcomponent of the broader labor gap. Indian workers in Russia: 65,000 - Example of Russia importing migrant labor for lower-paid jobs. Estimated drones produced in Ukraine in 2025: 4.5 million - Illustrates the scale of Ukraine’s drone industry. Share of Russian targets hit by drones: 85% - Used to argue drone warfare dominates the battlefield. Share of Russia’s dead and wounded caused by drones: 70-80% - Shows drones’ lethality in the war. Ukrainian firms mass-producing drones: Approaching 200 - Evidence of an emerging industrial ecosystem. Claimed range of Flamingo rocket drone: Up to 3,000 kilometers - Example of longer-range Ukrainian strike capability. NATO exercise units reportedly defeated by Ukrainian equipment: 16,000 NATO troops from 12 countries - Referenced as an example of Ukrainian drone effectiveness in exercises. Council seats Labour lost in England: 1,496 - Used to illustrate Labour’s political collapse in local elections. Years Mark Carney has been in office: Several months - Carney is presented as a current example of a successful center-left-style governing approach. People lifted out of poverty under AMLO/Scheinbaum since 2018: 13.4 million - Used to support Mexico’s anti-poverty model.
Pivotal Quotes: "This is not an economy that's collapsing, but this is an economy which is no longer growing at the clip that it was earlier in the war." — Adam Tooze: Summarizing Russia’s current economic condition. "The most important technological innovation to come out of this awful war." — Adam Tooze: Referring to Ukraine’s drone development. "It's not the bond market ... but ... the Bank of England and Andrew Bailey ... who are really the key figures here." — Adam Tooze: Arguing Britain’s fiscal constraints are driven more by central bank policy than bond-market panic.
Implications: Russia may be pressured into negotiations by military and economic exhaustion, but its war economy can also persist. For the center-left, success likely requires a clearer pro-growth, pro-housing, pro-poverty-reduction agenda adapted to national conditions.
About Ones and Tooze
Foreign Policy economics columnist Adam Tooze, a history professor and a popular author, is encyclopedic about basically everything: from the COVID shutdown, to climate change, to pasta sauce. On our new podcast, Tooze and FP deputy editor Cameron Abadi will look at two data points each week that explain the world: one drawn from the week’s headlines and the other from just about anywhere else Tooze takes us. Check out Adam Tooze’s column at https://foreignpolicy.com/author/adam-tooze/.