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Show Us Your Portfolio: Mike Taylor | Inside the Investment Strategy of a Hedge Fund Veteran

In this episode of Excess Returns, we sit down with Mike Taylor, portfolio manager of Simplify's PINK healthcare ETF, for a fascinating discussion about how he mansges his personal portfolio. Drawing from his extensive experience at firms like Citadel and Millennium, Mike shares candid insights

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Executive Summary: Mike Taylor describes a highly active, conviction-driven investing style shaped by hedge fund experience: he favors new-product stories, pricing power, mix shifts, and event-driven opportunities, while avoiding passive 60/40-style allocation. He stresses skin in the game, dynamic positioning, and a bearish macro view centered on fiscal overspending, bond-market pressure, and demographic weakness abroad.

Main Topics: Personal investing philosophy and goals (Priority: 5/5): Taylor frames investing as maximizing upside, not preserving comfort, and says his own portfolio is run with high conviction and active sizing rather than a static asset-allocation model. Skin in the game and fund alignment (Priority: 5/5): He argues that managers should have meaningful personal capital at risk and says his Pink Healthcare ETF is essentially his personal book, with fees and compensation tied to a charitable cause. Lessons from Citadel and Millennium (Priority: 5/5): Taylor says hedge funds fail partly because PMs misread unwinds and get fired during temporary drawdowns; he learned to use derivatives and risk reversals to survive bad tape and crowding. How he identifies high-conviction longs (Priority: 5/5): He prioritizes new-product stories, mix shifts, geographic expansion, management turnarounds, and roll-ups, while treating 'too cheap' value ideas with skepticism because they may be owned by distressed sellers. Macro view: rates, fiscal policy, and bubbles (Priority: 5/5): Taylor sees the market as being near the end of a government-spending bubble, with bond yields signaling strain; he expects either fiscal cuts or continued overspending to produce meaningful market volatility/correction. International investing and demographic decline (Priority: 4/5): He is generally cautious on non-U.S. equities because of weaker disclosure and structural demographic decline in places like Japan, South Korea, China, and parts of Europe, which he believes benefits the U.S. dollar over time. Other investments and personal spending (Priority: 3/5): He discusses selective private real estate, housing, and dental roll-up investments, plus a love of cars and support for his son’s racing career, which he sees as the only area where he spends heavily.

Key Arguments: Personal conviction matters most when the manager has real capital at risk; Taylor says his Pink ETF is effectively his own money, which he believes improves alignment and performance. Hedge fund underperformance often comes from being caught in forced liquidations after a five-sigma event; timing crowd unwinds matters as much as being right on fundamentals. Risk management should include asymmetric hedges, especially derivatives/risk reversals, to protect against rare but devastating squeezes. The most attractive long ideas usually involve new products, pricing power, mix shifts, geographic expansion, or management turnarounds—not merely low valuation. Being 'cheap' can be dangerous because cheap stocks are often held by investors who are under pressure and may keep selling, creating a loser's book. He views current macro conditions as a late-stage fiscal overspending bubble; bond markets will either force spending restraint or trigger a larger correction. He is skeptical of broad international exposure because U.S. disclosure rules are better and many foreign economies face severe demographic and debt headwinds. U.S. innovation, especially in healthcare, remains uniquely attractive because it combines IP, management freedom, and the ability to scale new products. He uses private investments when public markets don’t offer an easy way to express a macro thesis, such as housing, hotels, or dentistry in Florida. Successful portfolio management requires being a 'chameleon'—changing exposure quickly as the sequence of events evolves.

Data Points: Pink fund ownership: One of the largest shareholders in Pink - Taylor says he treats the ETF like his own money and has material skin in the game. Healthcare fund performance: Past three years outperformed the benchmark - He claims Pink may be the only fund in healthcare to have outperformed its benchmark over that period. Morningstar rating: Five-star - Taylor cites this as evidence of Pink’s strong performance. Fee/compensation use: Net fees and his compensation go to Susan G. Komen Foundation - He says fund economics support breast-cancer charity. Career tenure at top hedge funds: Citadel and Millennium - He says most of his career was spent at these firms. Training impact: About 15% of the entire healthcare hedge fund world - Taylor estimates the people he trained/worked with now make up a large share of the sector. Risk event description: Four sigma and five sigma events - He uses these terms to describe rare trading shocks that can lead to forced exits. Risk reversal hedge: 25% out-of-the-money - He describes using a 25% OTM put/call structure as an 'oh shit' precaution. Derivatives exposure: About 6% of the book - He says his current book is mostly stocks and ETFs, with a modest derivatives allocation. Net exposure swings: Wildly bearish in March 2020; ~500% net long after vaccines; meaningfully bearish in 2022 - He illustrates how his overall exposure changes with macro conditions. South Korea birth rate: 0.7 per woman - Used to support his demographic-bearish view on parts of Asia. Population outlook: 50% contraction in one generation - Taylor says South Korea is on track for a severe population decline. Real estate return: About 18% unlevered cash return - He cites this as the outcome of a multi-unit/single-unit housing investment tied to wage growth. Financial savings rate: Saved over 90% of everything made throughout career - He contrasts his saving habit with peers and says it helped him manage career risk. Personal car spending: 0.8% of annual income - He says his first major Ferrari purchase was still less than 1% of what he made that year. Housing market: Florida real estate down double digits - He links HOA costs and discretionary pressure to a Florida housing and dental-rollup opportunity.

Pivotal Quotes: "Get rich or die trying." — Mike Taylor: His answer to the question about long-term investment goals. "Best case scenario. I leave this desk in a body bag." — Mike Taylor: He explains his refusal to think about retirement and his commitment to working indefinitely. "When you got the nuts, you better be big." — Mike Taylor: He describes how he sizes high-conviction positions, saying he wants enough size to feel some overnight stress.

Implications: Listeners should expect a highly active, opportunistic approach: concentrated positions, hedging, and fast changes in exposure. The episode also suggests a cautious macro stance on bonds and foreign markets, while reaffirming Taylor’s bullishness on U.S. innovation and healthcare.

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