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SPACs Are Booming but Are We Back in Bubble Territory? | Louis Camhi of RLH Capital

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Max Wiethe HostLouis Cammie Guest

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Executive Summary: Louis Cammie argues the SPAC market is recovering from its post-2021 collapse, driven by renewed IPO hopes, lower volatility, and selective investor appetite for downside-protected vehicles. He explains how RLH Capital focuses on pre-D-SPAC arbitrage, niche bridge loans, warrants, and crypto-related structures, while cautioning that deal quality, leverage, and liquidity dynamics remain critical.

Main Topics: SPAC market revival and IPO cycle (Priority: 5/5): Cammie says the recent surge in SPAC issuance reflects expectations that the IPO market is reopening after a long shutdown, helped by lower volatility and possible rate cuts. SPAC mechanics and risk-reward profile (Priority: 5/5): He gives a SPAC 101 explanation: trust account, redemption rights, trust floor, and the difference between the pre-deal SPAC and post-close D-SPAC equity risk. Pre-deal trading, leverage, and trust floor dynamics (Priority: 4/5): The discussion covers when SPACs trade above trust, why RLH generally avoids levered positions above trust, and how yield compression changes the opportunity set. Market handoff from arb investors to fundamentals (Priority: 4/5): Cammie describes the ideal sequence where SPAC arbitrage investors exit after a deal announcement and fundamental investors step in, validating the transaction and improving SPAC credibility. Crypto treasury companies and PIPE opportunities (Priority: 5/5): A major theme is crypto treasury deals in SPAC and PIPE form, including Solana and Ethereum strategies, where implied volatility and cost-of-capital arbitrage can create unusual value. Bridge lending, warrants, and niche side strategies (Priority: 4/5): RLH has expanded into lending to target businesses and selective warrant purchases, especially where change-of-control provisions or high implied volatility create mispricing. Fund structure, SPVs, and conference marketing (Priority: 3/5): RLH now offers SPVs for LPs who want more exposure to higher-risk opportunities, and Cammie discusses broader marketing and conference efforts to educate investors on SPACs.

Key Arguments: SPAC issuance is rising because sponsors and bankers believe the IPO market is coming back, and public-market liquidity matters for private equity and venture capital exits. Lower volatility and potential interest-rate cuts are positive for capital markets activity, including IPOs, direct listings, and SPACs. The SPAC phase offers downside protection through the trust account, while the D-SPAC phase is ordinary equity with full upside and downside risk. When SPACs trade above trust, the risk-reward becomes much less attractive on leverage; RLH generally trims or exits instead of pressing. A healthy SPAC market should transfer ownership from arb investors to fundamental investors after a deal announcement, validating the business and creating a natural handoff. The SPAC ecosystem has improved versus 2021 because bankers are more commercial, fees are lower, and targets are more sophisticated about negotiating dilution. Crypto treasury deals resonate because some companies can access cheaper financing and trade at a premium to NAV, but the trade is more about cost-of-capital arbitrage than pure crypto conviction. Bridge loans are attractive because they can be short-duration, highly structured, and tied to target businesses rather than the SPAC shell, but they require careful underwriting and can become permanent financing if the deal fails. Warrants can be mispriced when change-of-control provisions and high implied volatility are overlooked, especially in crypto-related SPAC deals. RLH uses SPVs to give existing LPs first access to non-core but interesting opportunities, especially in lending and PIPEs tied to SPAC transactions.

Data Points: SPAC issuance timing: Beginning in May 2024 - Cammie says the new IPO/SPAC boom started then as optimism around capital markets returned. Fund launch timing: Q4 2021 - He launched RLH Capital as the SPAC market was already deflating. SPACs seeking targets: About 145 - He cites the current number of SPACs actively searching for acquisitions. Fund allocation: 85% - RLH structures the fund with most capital in publicly traded SPACs for liquidity and downside protection. At-risk allocation: 15% - The remainder is allocated to higher-risk bridge loans, non-redemption agreements, and PIPEs. Typical SPAC raise example: $200 million - Used to explain how sponsor capital sits in trust while a merger target is sought. Typical warrant strike: $11.50 - He explains the standard warrant economics in SPAC structures. Warrant life: 5 years - Standard life from deal close in his explanation of SPAC warrants. Yield compression: 100 basis points - He discusses how yield tightening can make levered SPAC portfolios more attractive, but also riskier if yields widen again. Crypto treasury equity value example: 1.2x to 2.0x NAV - He says current crypto treasury companies are trading at these multiples, motivating the relative-value trade. Upexi financing: $100 million - RLH and GSR helped create a Solana treasury company and raise capital for it. Upexi offering price: $2.28 - Cammie says the deal was priced at $2.28 before later trading higher. Upexi share count expansion: About 1.5 million to 47 million - He describes the float expansion after the financing and the resulting price pressure. SPAC PIPE liquidity example: 2 weeks - He says a comparable Ethereum treasury transaction (SBET) provided liquidity in two weeks. SBET price example: Priced at $6 and change; high of about $50-$70 - Used to illustrate the squeeze potential in low-float crypto treasury stocks. Arrow loan duration: 4 months to 16 months - He jokes that a planned short bridge loan turned into a much longer one before the company successfully IPO'd. ICO/target company raise: $75 million - Arrow ultimately raised this amount in a traditional IPO. Satisfy warrant trade: 30s to high 60s/low 70s - He cites a recent warrant position that appreciated materially after a transaction closed.

Pivotal Quotes: "This is really the first time where that embedded optionality in SPACs is really starting to stand out." — Louis Cammie: He explains why the current SPAC environment is more compelling than the post-2021 period. "If you own a SPAC at that stage, there is a minimal downside because you literally own U.S. Treasuries and money market funds." — Louis Cammie: He defines the trust-floor protection in the pre-deal SPAC phase. "The good news is: look, it's going to be painful, but it's one and done." — Louis Cammie: He describes the expected pain from massive float expansion in crypto treasury transactions.

Implications: The conversation suggests SPACs are re-entering a selective, more disciplined phase. Investors may find better risk-adjusted opportunities in trust-protected SPACs, targeted PIPEs, and niche lending—but only if IPO activity and volatility stay favorable and sponsors remain disciplined.

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