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Steve Glickman - I Think There’s A Lot Weighing On How Successful We Are At Achieving The Goals Of Opportunity Zones | #156

In Episode 156 we welcome back our guest from episode #115, Steve Glickman. To get listeners up to speed, Steve starts with an overview of what Opportunity Zones are, some specifics about the design of the program, and some concepts behind how investors can actually put money to work in Opportunity

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Executive Summary: Steve Glickman explains the updated Opportunity Zones rules, detailing how investors can defer and partially reduce capital gains taxes, then eliminate taxes on new gains held 10+ years. He emphasizes that April regulations clarified timing, fund operations, and qualification rules, unlocking what he sees as a large new market for real estate, operating businesses, infrastructure, and place-based economic development.

Main Topics: Opportunity Zones 101 and policy purpose (Priority: 5/5): Glickman frames Opportunity Zones as the largest community-development tax incentive in the U.S., created in 2017 to channel long-term private capital into designated low-income communities. Investor tax benefits and holding-period mechanics (Priority: 5/5): He explains the core benefits: 180-day reinvestment window, tax deferral until 2027, 10% basis step-up after five years, additional 5% after seven years, and tax-free appreciation after a 10-year hold. April regulatory clarifications (Priority: 5/5): The discussion centers on new guidance that clarified timing, fund deployment windows, real-estate basis rules, and how businesses satisfy the 50% active-business activity test. What qualifies: real estate, startups, and operating businesses (Priority: 4/5): Glickman walks through qualifying uses, including new construction, substantial rehab, relocation strategies, venture investments, and sector examples like energy, broadband, film production, and charter schools. Market structure and fund strategy (Priority: 4/5): He argues the market will mostly be accessed through third-party funds, especially professional private equity-style managers, with family offices also likely to form their own vehicles. Critiques, controversies, and program evolution (Priority: 3/5): He addresses complaints about gentrification and a small number of questionable zone designations, while noting the absence of robust reporting and the likelihood of future legislative tweaks. Broader economic-development implications (Priority: 5/5): Glickman argues Opportunity Zones could reshape capital allocation away from coastal hubs toward overlooked cities and regions, with potentially major effects on inequality and regional growth.

Key Arguments: Opportunity Zones create a rare tax benefit that combines deferral, partial forgiveness, and total exemption of future gains after a 10-year hold. The April regulations materially reduced uncertainty, making the program more usable for investors, fund managers, and advisers. Real estate is the current dominant use case, but operating businesses and infrastructure may ultimately become a larger market because they are not constrained by land supply. The rules are designed to ensure genuine new economic activity, not passive ownership; substantial improvement and active-business requirements are central. Investors who cannot control portfolio companies face more risk if those companies move or exit the zone, though penalties are relatively limited. Most investors will likely use third-party Opportunity Zone funds rather than launch their own, due to complexity, regulatory burden, and industry specialization. The program could help diversify growth beyond a handful of coastal cities by directing capital to overlooked but viable urban and regional markets. A major weakness is the lack of required reporting, which limits the ability to measure impact and evaluate outcomes over time.

Data Points: Number of Opportunity Zones: 8,760 - Estimated zones across the U.S. and territories Share of U.S. land/communities covered: About 12% - Approximate portion of the country covered by Opportunity Zones Capital gains reinvestment window: 180 days - Deadline to roll eligible gains into an Opportunity Zone fund; for some real-estate/partnership gains it can be measured from end of tax year Tax deferral end date: 2027 - Deferred capital gains tax is due in 2027 Basis step-up after 5 years: 10% - Reduction in deferred capital gains tax after holding for five years Additional basis step-up after 7 years: 5% - Additional tax reduction after holding for seven years Tax-free appreciation hold period: 10 years - New gains inside the fund can be tax-free after a 10-year hold Outside tax-free window: Up to 2047 - Investments can continue compounding tax-free until 2047 under the program structure Fund deployment flexibility: As long as 3.5 years - Combination of initial deployment period plus safe-harbor extension for putting capital to work Substantial improvement rule for existing real estate: 100% improvement requirement, excluding land - Rehab must equal the building’s value, not the land value Real-estate example: $1,000,000 building with 30% land / 70% building = $700,000 improvement - Illustrative calculation of qualifying rehab spending Qualified business property threshold: 70% - Operating businesses must have 70% qualified property to qualify Active business test: 50% - Businesses can satisfy the zone activity test via employees, services, or management inside the zone Questionable zones: About 100 tracks - Glickman estimates roughly 100 of the 8,760 designated tracts may not have been ideal selections Zones not at risk of gentrification: 96% - He cites studies suggesting most zones are not gentrification hotspots Current commercial real estate market size: About $50 billion/year - Estimated annual scale of commercial real estate deal flow in Opportunity Zones before the program Potential market size: $50 billion to $100 billion/year - His estimate for the annual Opportunity Zone asset class over time Program fiscal cost: $1.5 billion over 10 years - Estimated federal revenue cost he cites versus expected capital mobilization Potential capital mobilization: Maybe $1 trillion - His estimate of how much private capital the program could influence

Pivotal Quotes: "this is the newest, largest community development incentive in the U.S. tax code" — Steve Glickman: Defines the scale and intent of the Opportunity Zones program "the real starting gun for the marketplace" — Steve Glickman: Describing the significance of the April regulations that clarified the rules "the only capital gains incentive that you get total tax forgiveness without having to die first" — Steve Glickman: Explaining the uniqueness of the 10-year tax-free appreciation benefit

Implications: The clarified rules likely accelerate fund formation and capital deployment, especially in real estate and growth businesses. If successful, Opportunity Zones could become a durable, bipartisan tool for channeling private capital into underinvested areas and reshaping regional economic development.

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