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Talk Your Book: How Custom Indexing Works

On this episode of Animal Spirits: Talk Your Book, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Batnick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Carlson⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ are joined by Ehren J. Stanhope, CFA, Principal, Chief Investment Strategist at Canvas Custom Indexing to discuss: the evolution of investment pr

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The Compound HostAaron Stanhope Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode is a deep dive into Canvas custom/direct indexing, framed as both a sponsor discussion and a real user perspective from Ritholtz Wealth. Aaron Stanhope explains how the platform evolved after transaction costs fell in 2019, why tax-loss harvesting and portfolio customization matter, and how Canvas is expanding beyond simple index replication into broader portfolio management tools for advisors.

Main Topics: Evolution of direct indexing after 2019 (Priority: 5/5): The discussion traces how direct indexing accelerated once transaction costs dropped, enabling broader adoption beyond ultra-high-net-worth clients and making tax-loss harvesting far more scalable. Tax-loss harvesting as a core value proposition (Priority: 5/5): Aaron and the hosts emphasize that the main appeal is tax efficiency, especially for taxable investors, and that the strategy can materially improve after-tax outcomes even if it doesn't outperform on pre-tax returns. Custom indexing as an advisor workflow platform (Priority: 5/5): Canvas is presented not just as an investment product but as an operating system for advisors, with training, workflows, account-level customization, and operational controls built in. Handling appreciated, concentrated, and low-basis portfolios (Priority: 4/5): A major use case is transitioning clients with concentrated or highly appreciated holdings into more diversified portfolios in a tax-aware way, including alternatives like 351 exchanges, managed options, and long-short overlays. Why ETFs are not the only solution (Priority: 4/5): The conversation argues that ETFs are excellent wrappers, but direct/custom indexing can solve problems ETFs cannot—especially personalized restrictions, tax management, and account-specific tradeoffs. Platform breadth and product expansion (Priority: 4/5): Canvas has grown beyond passive index replication to include factor strategies, income, defensive equity, individual municipal bonds, managed options, and future long-short capabilities. Culture, acquisition, and scale at Franklin Templeton (Priority: 3/5): The team discusses how Canvas retained its startup-like culture after being acquired by Franklin Templeton while gaining resources, scale, and distribution support.

Key Arguments: Direct/custom indexing became much more practical after transaction costs fell in 2019, which expanded the market beyond niche wealth clients. The real benefit is not just index exposure; it is the ability to manage taxes, restrictions, and portfolio transitions at the account level. For many clients, especially taxable ones, after-tax value can be meaningfully improved even when pre-tax investment results are similar to ETFs or mutual funds. A key limitation of many direct indexing setups is that tax-loss harvesting capacity can fade over time in strong bull markets as portfolios become "ossified." 351 exchanges and similar tools are useful, but they are not universal solutions because many investors make inflows/withdrawals and need flexibility. Canvas is designed to work as a scalable advisor operating system, not a one-off account tool, so education and workflow integration matter as much as portfolio design. The platform’s value comes from combining investment models, operational controls, and tax-aware analytics across many accounts at once. The firm believes its alpha-oriented research background gives it an edge in building customized solutions that solve client problems rather than simply replicating indexes.

Data Points: Year transaction costs fell: 2019 - Aaron identifies this as the watershed moment for direct indexing adoption. Client accounts with withdrawals or inflows in a calendar year: ~70% - Used to explain why practical tax management matters and why assumptions of money sitting untouched are unrealistic. Taxable accounts trading during April volatility: 99%+ traded multiple times - Illustrates how volatile markets create harvesting opportunities and drive activity on the platform. Canvas platform size at acquisition: ~$2 billion - Aaron says the platform was around this size when Franklin Templeton acquired the business. Canvas platform size today: ~$15 billion - Shows growth since acquisition and broader adoption. Number of strategies and combinations: ~150 - Reflects the breadth of the platform’s model library and customization options. Advisor partner growth rate: ~2x the industry average - Aaron says longer-tenured Canvas partners tend to grow faster than peers.

Pivotal Quotes: "I don't think it's an ETF killer. I think that's hyperbolic, but the use cases are undeniable." — Aaron Stanhope: On the role of direct indexing relative to ETFs and why the strategy complements rather than replaces them. "We want Canvas to be used as sort of the investment management operating system at the firm." — Aaron Stanhope: Explaining the platform’s intended role inside advisory businesses. "The biggest problem that everyone in the industry has, which is I've been in a direct index portfolio for a couple years. And now, all of a sudden, I don't know that I have any more tax loss harvesting that's remaining in these portfolios." — Aaron Stanhope: Describing the challenge of tax-loss harvesting capacity diminishing after strong market gains.

Implications: Direct indexing is moving from niche tax tool to core wealth-management infrastructure. Advisors who understand it can offer more personalized, tax-aware portfolios; those who ignore it may miss a major workflow and client-service advantage.

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Animal Spirits is a show about markets, life, and investing. Join Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson as they talk about what they're reading, writing, listening to and watching. Look for new episodes every Wednesday morning. See our disclosures here - https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/

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