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The Bond Market Pain Isn't Over | Weekly Roundup

The 10-year just closed at 5.22%, but the pain trade may be even higher. This week, 40-year rates trading veteran DCP joins us as we examine the bond selloff and what it would take to actually break something and flip the pain trade in bonds. We explore SOFR hike pricing, AI capex and private credit

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on a deep dive into the bond market selloff, rising yields, and what it signals for inflation, growth, and risk assets. DCP argues the move is driven by AI capex, energy/diesel pass-through, fiscal deficits, and geopolitical risk, and that policy relief is unlikely without a meaningful market break or a major external shock.

Main Topics: Bond market selloff and higher-yield regime (Priority: 5/5): The conversation opens with the sharp move higher in Treasury yields and the collapse in bond prices, with DCP arguing this is a structural regime shift rather than a temporary fluctuation. Inflation, diesel, and supply-chain pass-through (Priority: 5/5): A major theme is that diesel, fertilizer, food, and transportation costs are slowly transmitting inflation through the real economy, squeezing smaller businesses and consumers. AI capex as an inflationary force (Priority: 4/5): The speakers debate whether massive AI-related capital expenditure is acting like an inflationary expansion of asset prices and financing needs, potentially becoming the next source of financial stress. Fed, Treasury, and policy constraints (Priority: 4/5): They discuss why limited Treasury buybacks, Fed signaling, and the political environment may not be enough to reverse the trend without a larger policy or market event. K-shaped economy and market concentration (Priority: 4/5): The discussion highlights how a narrow set of mega-cap and AI names are driving index performance while many constituents and parts of the real economy remain weak. Geopolitics and the Iran/Russia/China backdrop (Priority: 3/5): The panel repeatedly returns to Iran, Russia, and China as possible catalysts that could alter energy prices, inflation expectations, and market direction. Trading strategy: levels, curves, and reversals (Priority: 4/5): DCP outlines tactical levels in SOFR, ZB, ES, and the curve, emphasizing that a change in trend would likely require a shock, capitulation, or major policy shift.

Key Arguments: Higher yields are likely to persist until there is a meaningful catalyst such as weaker AI capex, cracked indices, a supply shock reversal, or explicit Fed tightening is over. The bond market is pricing in a more unsustainable fiscal and political path, not just a short-term growth scare. Diesel and related input costs will continue to squeeze the lower half of the economy with lagged effects over the next 6-9 months. The Fed cannot fix supply shocks like energy dislocations; hiking into them may worsen the real economy without solving inflation. Treasury buybacks and other intervention tools are too small relative to the scale of government issuance and deficits to materially change the market. The most vulnerable stress points may be regional banks, CRE, private credit, and smaller corporate bankruptcies, rather than broad repo or swap-market dysfunction. Market concentration means the index and the broader economy increasingly depend on a few mega-cap/AI winners, masking underlying weakness. If a reversal in yields comes, it may be triggered by a failure in the AI trade or private-credit financing rather than by traditional macro indicators like unemployment.

Data Points: Token 2049 Singapore attendees: 25,000 - Promotional opener for the conference Token 2049 speakers: 300 - Promotional opener for the conference Token 2049 exhibitors: 500 - Promotional opener for the conference Side events during Token 2049 week: 1,000+ - Promotional opener for the conference 10-year Treasury yield: 5.22% - Current yield cited during discussion ZB move in last 2.5 months: down almost 10 full big-boy points - Magnitude of bond selloff mentioned by DCP Fed funds / effective funds peak in 2023: 5 and a third - Referenced as prior peak rate level Current SOFR view for trade entry: 94.80s - DCP’s preferred Contra entry level in SOFR ZB important technical level: 103 - DCP says this level matters for holding or breaking Potential long-end yield target: 6%+ on the 30-year - DCP’s view of levels needed to stress the economy Potential front-end rate target: 5.5% Fed funds - DCP’s view of what would materially pressure markets Diesel price in Galway: $9/gallon - Example of elevated fuel costs cited Diesel price in Chicago: $7/gallon - Another example of elevated fuel costs cited SBA 7(a) loan rate: 12% to 13% - Used to illustrate stress on small business financing KRE / regional banks: near the 200-day moving average - Used as a stress indicator for regional lending March high in MOVE index: 111 - Compared with current volatility in rates Current MOVE index: 104 - Used to argue volatility remains elevated but not capitulation-level Equity concentration issue: 50%+ of S&P 500 constituents with negative beta - Referenced Goldman chart on market concentration Long-term bond price benchmark: ZB sub 103 - Described as historically uncommon and technically significant

Pivotal Quotes: "“You would need the Fed signaling hikes are done. Not going to happen.”" — DCP: On why the bond market likely remains under pressure absent a major policy shift "“I think it has to be the 30-year in the sixes, to be honest with you.”" — DCP: On the yield level needed to materially change market behavior and economic conditions "“There are no gurus or no indicators at work in times like these.”" — DCP: On how difficult it is to trade the current setup and the need to think independently

Implications: The episode suggests a fragile macro setup: yields may keep rising, credit conditions could tighten, and stress may emerge first in small business, regional banks, CRE, or private credit. For investors, concentration risk and rate volatility dominate.

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