Episode Summary
Executive Summary: Meb Faber and Jerry Parker discuss the launch of the Cambria-Chesapeake Pure Trend ETF (MFUT), using it to explain pure trend-following/managed futures: broad diversification, equal risk allocation, long holding periods, and letting winners run. They argue the strategy is especially relevant in volatile, regime-shifting markets and that ETFs are the future wrapper for CTAs.
Main Topics: Launch of MFUT ETF (Priority: 5/5): The episode centers on the new Cambria-Chesapeake Pure Trend ETF, a collaboration that brings Parker’s trend-following approach into an ETF wrapper at a lower fee. Pure trend-following philosophy (Priority: 5/5): Parker explains the core of his approach: trade many liquid markets, go long and short, and systematically capture large trends while cutting losses quickly. Portfolio construction and diversification (Priority: 5/5): The fund aims for around 100 positions across commodities, stocks, bonds, and currencies, with roughly equal risk contribution and broad sector balance. Why trend following works in unusual regimes (Priority: 4/5): They argue trend following shines in unexpected events, including COVID, wars, inflation shocks, and major reversals like 2022 bonds. Psychology of holding winners and taking losses (Priority: 4/5): A major theme is behavioral discipline: humans dislike giving back gains, while trend rules are designed to combat that instinct. ETF adoption and industry evolution (Priority: 4/5): Parker believes managed futures are moving decisively into ETFs because of transparency, lower cost, and investor preference, especially among advisors. Allocation and investor use cases (Priority: 3/5): Faber emphasizes trend as a complement to traditional portfolios, not a replacement, and argues multiple managers/funds can be owned if due diligence is done.
Key Arguments: Trend-following should be built on maximum diversification rather than optimizing around recent winners or a small subset of markets. All markets can trend over time, even those with poor historical trends like cocoa or bean oil. Equalizing risk across positions is more important than equal dollars because volatility varies widely across instruments. Letting profits run is essential; cutting winners short destroys the power-law payoff structure of trend following. Managed futures are valuable because they can be short bonds or stocks when the regime demands it, unlike most long-only strategies. ETFs are becoming the preferred wrapper for CTAs because they are cheaper, more transparent, and easier for investors to access anonymously. The long-term success of trend following comes from discipline, diversification, and the willingness to endure many small losses for occasional very large wins.
Data Points: MFUT expense ratio: 75 basis points - Faber notes the ETF is priced below many public and private managed futures offerings. Number of positions/markets: Around 100 - Parker describes the fund as holding roughly 100 liquid instruments across asset classes. Commodity allocation: About 25-30 positions - He says commodities are overweighted slightly versus other sectors because they are highly diversifying. Sector mix: Roughly 25% each - He describes near-equal representation across commodities, stocks/bonds, currencies, and interest rates. Average holding period: About 1 year - Parker says the average trend trade is held for roughly a year, with some lasting longer. Minimum trend lookback referenced: At least 100 days - He cites longer-term rules and research as the basis for identifying trends. Institutional ownership of managed futures AUM: 95% - Faber cites Katie Kaminsky’s paper showing most managed futures assets are institutionally owned. Stock market compounded return since 2009: 15% compounded - Faber references the long equity bull market as a reason alternatives may gain traction if that regime ends. Previous paper example: 10 percentage point drawdown exit - Faber references his all-time-highs research, noting the strategy included an exit rule rather than holding forever.
Pivotal Quotes: "trend following can rehabilitate markets from the dead" — Jerry Parker: Used to explain why historically weak markets like cocoa can still become profitable trend opportunities. "let your profits run" — Meb Faber: Cited as the classic trend-following principle, attributed to David Ricardo, illustrating the strategy’s core discipline. "I think we're going to see a major, major move, especially with CTAs, into these ETFs." — Jerry Parker: Parker’s view on the industry’s migration from private hedge funds to ETF structures.
Implications: For investors, MFUT offers a low-cost, transparent way to access a classic CTA trend strategy. For the industry, the conversation signals accelerating ETF adoption, broader access, and growing relevance for trend following in portfolios seeking diversification and crisis protection.
About The Meb Faber Show
Ready to grow your wealth through smarter investing decisions? With The Meb Faber Show, bestselling author, entrepreneur, and investment fund manager, Meb Faber, brings you insights on today’s markets and the art of investing. Featuring some of the top investment professionals in the world as his guests, Meb will help you interpret global equity, bond, and commodity markets just like the pros. Whether it’s smart beta, trend following, value investing, or any other timely market topic, each week you’ll hear real market wisdom from the smartest minds in investing today. Better investing starts here. For more information on Meb, please visit MebFaber.com. For more on Cambria Investment Management, visit CambriaInvestments.com.