The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

The Divorce Expert: 86% of People Who Divorce Remarry! Why Sex Is Causing Divorces! If They Say This, Do Not Marry Them!

Divorce rates are dominant, but is there hope for a happily ever after? James Sexton is America's top divorce lawyer, and bestselling author of romantic advice books 'How to Stay in Love' and 'If You're in My Office, It's Already Too Late'. In this conversation, Ja

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Executive Summary: Divorce lawyer James Sexton argues that marriage is a legal and emotional technology people enter too casually, often without understanding the risks, rights, or economics involved. He says most marital breakdowns stem from sex and money, but really from poor communication, avoidance, and unrealistic expectations. He frames prenups, candid conversations, and preventative maintenance as tools to preserve love rather than undermine it.

Main Topics: Marriage as a risky legal contract (Priority: 5/5): Sexton challenges the assumption that marriage is automatically wise, arguing it is a legally significant contract with high failure rates and often unclear purpose. Prenups and postnups as relationship tools (Priority: 5/5): He explains prenuptial agreements as practical rule-setting between partners, not signs of distrust, and says they can prevent conflict if discussed honestly. Sex as a core indicator of relationship health (Priority: 5/5): He repeatedly says sex is definitional to romantic relationships and that changes in sexual frequency or quality often signal deeper marital problems. Money, power, and transparency (Priority: 4/5): He argues money problems are usually about power, control, and hidden information rather than simple lack of funds, and that financial secrecy destabilizes marriages. Infidelity, emotional affairs, and the limits of punishment (Priority: 4/5): Sexton says cheating is common, often a symptom rather than the sole cause of divorce, and that fidelity clauses are usually a bad legal idea. Preventative maintenance and honest communication (Priority: 5/5): He advocates early, calm, direct conversations about needs, conflict style, sex, and expectations before resentment hardens into divorce. Love, impermanence, and gratitude (Priority: 4/5): Despite his skepticism about marriage, Sexton is deeply pro-love, emphasizing that impermanence makes love precious and worth risking heartbreak for.

Key Arguments: Marriage should not be assumed; people should ask what problem it solves and whether they actually need it. Most marriages fail either through divorce or by remaining unhappy, and many people remarry quickly because they still want the structure of partnership. Prenups are enforceable contracts and can be romantic because they force clarity about expectations, assets, and obligations before conflict. Sex is not a side issue; it is central to romantic partnership and often a canary in the coal mine for broader relational decline. Money conflicts are usually about transparency, leverage, and what money symbolizes, not just spending or debt. Cheating is often a symptom of a preexisting death spiral in the relationship, not a single isolated cause. Fidelity clauses are usually a bad idea because cheating is hard to define and already carries major emotional consequences. The best marriages are maintained through small acts of care, candor, and regular check-ins rather than grand gestures. Comparing real relationships to idealized social media or rom-com fantasies creates unrealistic dissatisfaction. Love is worth the pain because impermanence makes it meaningful; the possibility of loss is what makes attachment brave.

Data Points: Chance marriage ends in divorce: 56% - Sexton cites this as the baseline probability if someone marries. People who remarry within five years after divorce: 86% - Used to show how strongly humans remain drawn to marriage despite failure. Estimated additional marriages that fail without divorce: ~20% - Sexton suggests another portion stay together miserably or for financial/kid reasons. Total marriage failure estimate: 70%–75% - Derived from divorce plus unhappy-but-intact marriages. Quickest marriage-to-divorce timeline mentioned: 48 hours - He cites this as the fastest case he has seen, usually an annulment. Prenup weight penalty example: $10,000/month per 10 pounds gained - A shocking enforceable clause in a wealthy couple’s prenup. Baseline alimony in that prenup: $70,000/month - The wife would have received this amount absent the weight penalty. Weight clause example: 10 pounds - The threshold for reducing alimony in the prenup example. Time in practice: 25 years - Sexton references his long career as a divorce lawyer. Prenup adoption increase among younger couples: ~5x - He says people in their 20s and 30s are getting prenups far more often than a decade ago. Client wealth example: $8 billion - He mentions a client worth this amount to illustrate understated wealth. Lottery win example: $50 million gross / $25 million after taxes - A client won the lottery and then learned the spouse would get half. Job-loss divorce trigger: Common in heterosexual marriages - He says male job loss often destabilizes marriages more than female job loss. Support conversation example: 90 minutes/week - Referenced via Jordan Peterson’s advice to listen to a partner regularly to avoid divorce court.

Pivotal Quotes: "All marital problems stem from two things, and that's... I don't know what I want and I don't know how to express it." — James Sexton: He summarizes the root causes of most marital conflict as confusion and poor communication. "I think it's insane to love anything. Because someday, that'll be gone." — James Sexton: He explains why love is inherently risky but still worth pursuing. "Tradition is peer pressure from dead people." — James Sexton: He argues that people should question inherited assumptions about marriage and relationships.

Implications: Listeners are urged to treat marriage as a deliberate, revisable commitment, not a default. The episode suggests better relationships come from honesty, financial clarity, sexual candor, and early maintenance—not fantasy or silence.

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Steven Bartlett is a British entrepreneur, investor, and author. He’s the founder of Flight Story – a media company – and Flight Fund, an investment fund backing the next generation of category-defining businesses. He created The Diary Of A CEO to share the unfiltered pages of the personal diaries of the world’s most fascinating CEOs, experts, therapists, and leaders – with the hope that their lessons will help both you and him live better lives. DOAC is a double acronym: Diary Of A CEO, but also Dreamers, Open-minded, Awareness, and Connection.This is your corner of the internet to dream boldly, think openly, expand your awareness, and feel more connected. My New Book: https://g2ul0.app.link/DOAC IG: https://www.instagram.com/steven LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevenbartlett-123

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