Ones and Tooze
Ones and Tooze

The Economics Revolution and the Nobel Prize

This week Cameron Abadi and Adam Tooze discuss the economists who won the Nobel Prize—for helping make the science of economics…more scientific. Also: Whatever happened to cap and trade? The strategy for stemming climate change is largely dead in the United States but surging in Europe. Save 15% on

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Executive Summary: The episode examines economics through two data points: the Nobel Prize for David Card, Joshua Angrist, and Guido Imbens, and Europe’s carbon price reaching a key threshold. It argues that modern economics became more credible by using randomized and natural experiments to identify causation, while also showing that policy success depends on political design and commitment, not just elegant theory.

Main Topics: The credibility revolution in economics: The hosts explain how economics shifted from loose correlations toward causal identification using randomized and natural experiments, making the discipline more scientifically rigorous. David Card and the minimum wage debate: Card’s work with Alan Kruger on New Jersey’s 1992 minimum wage increase found no detectable employment loss in fast food restaurants, challenging conventional views. Natural experiments and causal inference: The episode highlights the Mariel boatlift and randomized cash-transfer trials as examples of how economists isolate causal effects from confounding factors. Limits and controversies in minimum wage research: The discussion notes newer meta-reviews finding small negative employment effects on average, suggesting the effect may be modest rather than zero and that politics still shapes interpretation. Europe’s cap-and-trade system: The second half explains how the EU emissions trading scheme evolved, why it initially failed, and how tightening supply has driven carbon prices upward. Politics, prices, and climate policy: The hosts discuss how carbon pricing can raise energy costs, create backlash among lower-income consumers, and require broader political coalitions and global coordination.

Key Arguments: Economics became more credible when it adopted experimental logic from medicine and used randomization or exogenous shocks to identify causation. Correlation-based econometrics was insufficient because apparent effects could be driven by selection bias or hidden confounders. Card’s research on migrant labor showed that even a large, unexpected influx of migrants did not necessarily depress wages or raise unemployment as standard theory predicted. Card and Kruger’s New Jersey minimum wage study suggested employers may have wage-setting power, so modest wage increases need not destroy jobs. Later reviews suggest the minimum wage may slightly reduce employment on balance, but the effect is often small enough that higher wages may still be worth it. Cap-and-trade only works if governments make pollution permits scarce and credibly reduce their number over time. Europe’s climate policy is driven as much by politics and long-term expectations as by market mechanics. Carbon pricing can be absorbed politically in some places but becomes explosive when energy costs hit commuters and lower-income households. For climate policy to matter globally, Europe must both lead by example and pressure trading partners through border adjustments.

Data Points: Nobel Prize winners in Economics: 3 - David Card, Joshua Angrist, and Guido Imbens shared the 2021 prize. Minimum wage in New Jersey before increase: $4.25 - Baseline wage in the Card-Kruger natural experiment. Minimum wage in New Jersey after increase: $5.05 - 1992 hike used to study employment effects in fast food restaurants. Mariel boatlift migrants: about 125,000 - Cubans who fled to Miami in 1980, used by Card as an exogenous shock. EU emissions trading scheme started: 2005 - The carbon market began covering industry and power generation. Carbon price threshold: 50 euros per ton - May price that the IMF says could help keep warming below 2°C if adopted broadly. Carbon price level in 2021: close to $60 - The hosts note prices had risen from earlier highs of about $30–$35. EU emissions reduction target: 55% by 2030 - The European Union’s post-Paris commitment mentioned in the discussion. Global warming target: below 2°C - The benchmark referenced for international climate policy. Therapist platform scale: 30,000 therapists - BetterHelp ad claims platform size. Global users served: over 5 million - BetterHelp ad claim about platform reach. Live session rating: 4.9 out of 5 - BetterHelp ad claim based on 1.7 million client reviews. Client reviews: 1.7 million - BetterHelp ad claim supporting the 4.9 rating.

Pivotal Quotes: "taking the con out of econometrics" — Adam Toos: Describing the slogan and spirit of the credibility revolution in economics. "Our results really make a lot of sense." — David Card: Card reflecting on how his minimum wage findings fit a more realistic model of employer wage-setting power. "The condition of this system working is that you actually tighten the supply." — Adam Toos: Explaining why cap-and-trade only functions when emissions permits are made scarce.

Implications: Listeners are left with a more nuanced view of economics: strong causal evidence matters, but policy outcomes still depend on design, politics, and scale. Both wage policy and climate policy show that small, well-identified effects can shape major debates.

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About Ones and Tooze

Foreign Policy economics columnist Adam Tooze, a history professor and a popular author, is encyclopedic about basically everything: from the COVID shutdown, to climate change, to pasta sauce. On our new podcast, Tooze and FP deputy editor Cameron Abadi will look at two data points each week that explain the world: one drawn from the week’s headlines and the other from just about anywhere else Tooze takes us. Check out Adam Tooze’s column at https://foreignpolicy.com/author/adam-tooze/.

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