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The Great Reset: A Framework for Investing After COVID-19

Steve Strongin, a senior advisor for Goldman Sachs, discusses a new framework for investing after COVID-19. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Executive Summary: Steve Strongin argues COVID-19 is a rule-changing event for investors because it accelerates business failures, rewires consumer and company behavior, and forces a reallocation of capital toward more resilient, specialized, and adaptable models. He frames the post-pandemic market through four themes—resilience, sticky learning, risk-based market segmentation, and regulatory reset—while warning that many headlines (empty spaces, outcomes like real estate) are not durable themes.

Main Topics: COVID-19 as a regime shift for investing (Priority: 5/5): Strongin says the pandemic is not a temporary shock but a catalyst that will accelerate structural change, destroy weak business models, and permanently alter how companies and consumers operate. Resilience as a core investment theme (Priority: 5/5): The crisis exposed fragile supply chains, systems, and operating models; future winners will be firms and platforms that can absorb shocks, maintain redundancy, and continue operating under stress. Sticky learning and behavioral permanence (Priority: 4/5): Pandemic-era innovations such as remote work, telemedicine, and cloud migration will persist in selective use because people and companies have now learned what works, even if not everything stays. Risk-based market segmentation (Priority: 5/5): Post-COVID behavior will split into cohorts: one group prioritizing safety and distance, another eager to resume activity and experiences, forcing businesses to serve diverging demand patterns. Regulatory reset and second-order policy effects (Priority: 4/5): Governments will respond to perceived failures in healthcare, food, infrastructure, and drug development with new rules that raise standards, reward prepared firms, and potentially trigger consolidation. Why 'empty spaces' and 'outcomes' are not themes (Priority: 3/5): He cautions against mistaking short-term vacancies in retail/real estate for investment themes, since many empty spaces are part of normal economic churn and outcomes like suburbanization are not standalone drivers. From preservation to consolidation to innovation (Priority: 5/5): Market attention will move from balance-sheet preservation to consolidation among winners, and then to a later innovation phase where new firms retool around lessons learned during the crisis.

Key Arguments: COVID-19 changes investing because it exposes fragile business models and speeds up shifts that would otherwise have taken years or decades. Resilience will be favored over pure efficiency; firms will value redundancy, backup capacity, and local adaptability more highly than cost minimization. Specialized platform vendors can outperform in crises because they are built to serve many clients across locations with embedded redundancy. Pandemic-induced learning is 'sticky': companies and consumers have discovered workable alternatives in remote work, telemedicine, and cloud-based operations. Not all newly learned behaviors will persist; the market will separate use cases where remote options are superior from those where in-person interaction remains necessary. The population will bifurcate by risk tolerance and vulnerability, creating distinct service markets rather than one uniform post-pandemic consumer. Regulators will respond first to visible failures, then later to unintended consequences of those new rules, producing a policy pendulum. Temporary market dislocations like empty storefronts should not be treated as durable themes because turnover is a normal part of capitalism. Real estate and other sectors will reflect a mix of opposing forces, making simple labels like 'resuburbanization' too simplistic. The most attractive opportunities may come in the innovation phase, when firms learn from crisis winners and build better, cheaper, and more resilient models.

Data Points: Podcast recording date: Monday, June 1st, 2020 - Closing disclosure on when the discussion occurred Work-from-home adoption in finance: Half to 98%/99% of employees able to work from home - Strongin cites financial institutions as proof that remote work scaled far beyond pre-COVID expectations Time acceleration of change: Changes that might have taken 20 years could take 2 - Describes how COVID may compress long-term structural shifts Hospital capacity example: 30 years of hospital closures - Used to illustrate how efficiency-oriented systems failed under stress Interview framework: 4 themes - Resilience, sticky learning, risk-based market segmentation, and regulatory resets Potential vendor concentration: 3 or 4 vendors worked versus 3 or 4 that did not - Example of how procurement may consolidate toward reliable providers

Pivotal Quotes: "we've all learned how to use Zoom, we've all learned how to use telemedicine" — Steve Strongin: Explains 'sticky learning' and why certain behaviors will persist after the crisis "The key thing in a framework is understanding the difference between the circumstances of the moment and the forces that have been unleashed to change the economy." — Steve Strongin: Describes how investors should distinguish temporary conditions from durable themes "We're going to see people embracing life and we're going to see people embracing their fears." — Steve Strongin: Defines the split within post-COVID consumer behavior that underpins risk-based market segmentation

Implications: Investors should favor resilient platforms, specialized service providers, and firms that convert crisis learning into better operating models. Near-term winners may be temporary; the longer-term opportunity is in companies that innovate after consolidation and adapt to new regulation.

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