Animal Spirits Podcast
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The Lender of Last Resort (EP.300)

On today's show we discuss the latest from the banking crisis, the market's reaction to bank runs, what the Fed should do next, why service inflation is higher than goods inflation, why crypto is rallying this year, how much money it takes to be rich and much more. Find complete shownotes

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on the sudden banking crisis sparked by Silicon Valley Bank, the Fed/Treasury response, and the ripple effects on deposits, lending, money markets, and the economy. The hosts argue the rescue likely prevented systemic chaos but also entrenches bailout expectations. They connect the turmoil to bond-market volatility, tighter credit conditions, and a possible soft-landing/recession path, while also touching on ChatGPT, layoffs, housing, crypto, and rising service inflation.

Main Topics: Banking crisis and government backstop (Priority: 5/5): The hosts debate Silicon Valley Bank, Credit Suisse, and whether the Fed/Treasury intervention prevented a systemic collapse or created moral hazard by bailing out depositors and signaling future rescues. Deposit flight, money markets, and bank funding pressure (Priority: 5/5): A large share of deposits are uninsured, and higher yields are pulling cash out of banks into money market funds, CDs, and T-bills, which threatens bank margins and lending capacity. Bond-market volatility and Fed confusion (Priority: 4/5): The two-year Treasury yield is moving violently, reflecting uncertainty about the Fed path and the possibility that the market is no longer sure whether rates will rise, pause, or cut. Macroeconomic impact and credit tightening (Priority: 4/5): The hosts argue the bigger story may be economic growth: regional/smaller banks supply a meaningful share of lending, so balance-sheet repair and tighter standards could slow GDP and raise recession risk. Inflation composition: services vs goods (Priority: 3/5): They revisit charts showing that goods inflation has cooled or turned negative while services inflation remains stubbornly high, with labor-intensive services driving much of the pressure. AI, layoffs, and changing work/life behavior (Priority: 3/5): The conversation also covers ChatGPT’s rapid adoption, corporate layoffs at Amazon/Meta, and how remote work and the 'afternoon fun economy' may reflect Keynesian leisure trends. Markets, crypto, housing, and consumer behavior (Priority: 3/5): They discuss crypto’s rally as a possible risk-off/macro hedge, the resilience of housing prices, and how consumers are increasingly optimizing cash through CDs and target-maturity bond ETFs.

Key Arguments: The SVB rescue likely prevented a broader run on deposits and paychecks being disrupted, which could have caused real-world chaos beyond just wealthy tech insiders. Bank deposits are less attractive now because yields elsewhere are high; even large, ostensibly 'smart' cash holders are moving money into MMFs and T-bills. The Fed should have paid more attention to bank balance-sheet risk while hiking rates, since the rapid rise in yields exposed duration mismatch and funding fragility. Money market inflows and discount-window borrowing show that the financial system is rapidly re-pricing cash and liquidity risk. A banking crisis can restrain the economy by tightening lending standards, even if financial markets stabilize. Small and regional banks matter disproportionately for credit creation, so even modest deposit outflows can have outsized effects on lending and GDP. Service inflation is the stubborn part of inflation because it is tied more closely to labor and human services than to scalable manufactured goods. Crypto’s rally may reflect both a risk-on response to the expected Fed pivot and a broader appeal as an alternative asset in an uncertain banking system.

Data Points: Two-year Treasury yield move streak: 6 or 7 straight daily moves of 20 bps - Used to illustrate unusual bond-market volatility and uncertainty about the Fed Market probability of Fed decision: roughly 50/50 pause vs. more hikes - Shows indecision heading into the Fed meeting Uninsured deposits at large banks: about 50% at many banks - Highlights depositor vulnerability above FDIC limits Money market fund inflows on Monday/Tuesday: $93 billion - Biggest two-day surge in a while after the SVB turmoil Money market inflows over the past week: more than $100 billion - Among the largest weekly inflows on record Money market assets since Fed hike cycle began: up roughly $400 billion - Shows shift from deposits into higher-yield cash alternatives Total money in money markets: about $5 trillion - Provides scale for recent inflows Bank deposits: down $54 billion to $17.6 trillion - Federal Reserve data for week ended March 6 Deposits at 25 largest banks: down 5% over the past year - Bloomberg chart cited in the discussion Deposits at large domestically chartered banks vs small banks: down 6% vs. down 0.4% from March 2022 to March 2023 - Shows large banks saw more deposit leakage Discount window borrowing: spiked to a level larger than 2008-09 and 2020 peaks - Used as evidence of emergency funding stress Small banks’ share of US loans: 30% - Apollo estimate cited to stress the importance of regional/community banks Auto loan rejection rate: 1 in 9 - Cited by the 'car guy' as a sign lending is tightening Potential GDP impact from slower loan growth: 0.5 to 1.0 percentage point - JPMorgan estimate of slower growth from mid-sized bank retrenchment Amazon layoffs: 18,000 earlier in the year and 9,000 more announced - Evidence of continued corporate cost-cutting Job openings concentration: 80% at firms with fewer than 250 employees; 50% at firms with fewer than 50 - CNBC stat showing small businesses dominate openings Top 1% income threshold: $548,000 AGI in 2020 - IRS figure used in a discussion about what counts as 'rich' Home price change: median year-over-year price fell 0.2% - Referenced as a sign housing is cooling, though not crashing CD growth: from $36.5 billion (Apr 2022) to $418.4 billion (Jan) - Shows massive demand for insured yield after rates rose Bitcoin year-to-date performance: up almost 70% - Used to question why crypto is rallying so strongly Bitcoin behavior since banking crisis: up about 40% over the last two weeks - Interpreted as potentially a macro hedge / risk-off alternative Chad GPT standardized tests: GPT-4 passed LSAT/SAT/bar-type tests, but only 8 of 24 CFA questions - Used to discuss AI’s capabilities and limits Day camp cost: $9,000 per child for seven weeks - Illustrates how expensive services are in New York

Pivotal Quotes: "The Federal Reserve is neither federal nor have reserves. Discuss." — Listener meme shared by hosts: Used humorously to comment on public skepticism of the Fed and the bailout "We could have had the biggest goddamn bunch of bank runs you ever saw." — Charlie Munger: Cited to justify the government backstop of SVB depositors "The way the world is, not the way we'd like it to be." — Charlie Munger: Used to frame pragmatic policy decisions during the banking panic

Implications: Expect tighter credit, more cash shifting into yields, and continued scrutiny of bank balance sheets. The crisis likely increases bailout expectations while pressuring smaller banks, which could slow growth and push the Fed toward a pause.

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