The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
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The Love Expert: Why Women Are Addicted To F**k Boys & Why You Should "Have A 'Boring' Relationship Instead!" Logan Ury

Are we our own worst enemies when it comes to romance? What if instead, we dated like a scientist, using equations and analysis, rather than feelings and attraction to find love. In this new episode Steven sits down with dating coach and behavioural scientist, Logan Ury. Logan is a behavioural exper

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Behavioral scientist and dating coach Logan Ury argues that lasting love depends less on instant chemistry or an idealized checklist and more on recognizing personal patterns, choosing emotionally available partners, and building connection deliberately. She explains attachment styles and three common dating tendencies, then offers practical guidance on evaluating dates, communicating, using dating apps, and navigating conflict with intention and vulnerability.

Main Topics: Attachment styles and the anxious–avoidant loop: Ury describes anxious, avoidant, and secure attachment patterns, how triggers can produce pursuit or withdrawal, and how self-regulation, clear requests, and secure partners can help change those cycles. She cautions against attributing every attachment pattern solely to parents. Dating tendencies and unrealistic expectations: Ury identifies romanticizers, who expect love to feel like a storybook; maximizers, who keep searching for a perfect partner; and hesitators, who delay dating until they feel ready. She argues that identifying one’s tendency can reveal the habits blocking connection. Choosing connection over the spark: The initial spark can reflect intensity or an anxious–avoidant dynamic rather than long-term compatibility. Ury recommends the post-date eight questions to focus on how people feel together, whether interest grows, and what side of oneself a date brings out. Building relationships through deliberate choices: Ury frames a good relationship as the result of many choices, from whom to date to whether to commit. She encourages finding someone great and building a relationship rather than searching indefinitely for perfection, and recommends explicit conversations rather than sliding into milestones by default. Vulnerability, communication, and conflict: The speakers emphasize sharing personal stories rather than only facts, and treating vulnerability as a path to mutual trust. In conflict, partners can name triggers, take a regulating pause, and work as teammates; compatibility means handling inevitable problems well, not avoiding all disagreement. Practical dating and app guidance: Ury recommends varied, engaging date settings, phone-free attention, and specific dating profiles that show several sides of a person. She advises testing assumptions—such as restrictive filters or dismissing someone over an ick—rather than mistaking preferences and pet peeves for deal-breakers.

Key Arguments: People are not born knowing how to date, and contemporary dating practices are relatively new; deliberate learning and reflection can help people overcome unhelpful habits. In the anxious–avoidant loop, one person may seek reassurance while the other withdraws. Recognizing triggers and choosing a different response can interrupt the cycle; dating a secure partner may also provide a healthier relationship experience. Intermittent attention can be compelling because unpredictable rewards reinforce continued pursuit, much like a partial-reward schedule. That intensity should not be mistaken for evidence of long-term compatibility. The romanticizer, maximizer, and hesitator each face unrealistic expectations—of relationships, partners, or themselves. Repeating the same dating behaviors while expecting different results is unlikely to help. A date should be assessed by the shared experience, not only by a checklist or instant spark. The post-date eight prompts attention to feelings, enjoyment, and the version of oneself that emerges around the other person. Many apparent deal-breakers are fixable preferences or pet peeves. Being open to different types of people and testing assumptions can prevent prematurely excluding compatible partners. Vulnerability helps people connect because it invites mutual honesty; a polished, seemingly perfect exterior can make genuine closeness harder. The host describes becoming more open and finding that this deepened his relationship. Long-term compatibility includes kindness, loyalty, emotional stability, teamwork, and the ability to manage conflict respectfully. Couples need not agree on everything, but they need to handle recurring differences constructively. Intentional conversations about relationship milestones are preferable to drifting into them. Partners should clarify what commitment, cohabitation, marriage, or family plans mean to each of them. Dating apps can introduce people who might not otherwise meet, but profiles and opening exchanges only facilitate an initial connection; relationship success still depends on how people communicate and relate in person.

Data Points: Secure attachment in the population: About 50% - Ury estimates that about half of people are securely attached, while noting that many are already in relationships. Attachment-style change: About 25% - Ury says research indicates roughly one-quarter of people can change their attachment style through work on triggers and responses. Optimal-stopping rule of thumb: 37% - The secretary-problem example suggests using the first 37% of a search to establish a benchmark, then choosing the next option that surpasses it; Ury applies this as a dating metaphor. Illustrative dating-age calculation: 18–40 years; 26.1 years - Assuming a person dates from age 18 to 40, Ury calculates that 37% of that period falls around age 26.1, as an illustration of the stopping rule. Men under six feet tall in the U.S.: 86% - Ury says a six-foot minimum filter excludes 86% of men in the U.S., illustrating how restrictive filters shrink a dating pool. Perpetual relationship conflicts: 69% - Citing Gottman research, Ury says most couples’ conflicts are perpetual, meaning they may not be fully resolved and instead require ongoing management. Couples meeting online: Number one way since 2017 - Ury cites Stanford researcher Michael Rosenfeld in saying online has been the leading way couples meet since 2017. History of modern dating: Around 1890 - Ury describes modern dating as a relatively recent development, beginning around 1890, and dating apps as emerging in earnest roughly a decade before the conversation. Dating before engagement: More than two years - Ury says some research suggests couples who date more than two years before becoming engaged have a greater chance of relationship success; she stresses intentional conversations over a fixed timeline.

Pivotal Quotes: "The truth is, you think you know what you want, but you're wrong." — Logan Ury: Ury challenges rigid partner checklists, arguing that people who ultimately make us happy may not match the type we initially expected. "You can't hustle your way into a relationship." — Logan Ury: She explains that ambition and persistence do not make someone reciprocate; dating requires attention to mutual interest and connection. "Vulnerability is the bridge." — Host: The host summarizes the discussion of how honest self-disclosure can create trust and deeper connection.

Implications: Listeners can improve their dating prospects by identifying their patterns, responding differently to triggers, and prioritizing mutual consistency and emotional safety over intensity or perfection. Dating apps and advice should support real connection, not endless filtering or entertainment.

From the Episode

But the spark often leads to relationships that burn out. The spark, the post-date eight, are eight questions to ask yourself after a date, training your brain to a new way of dating. And finally, most people suffer from one of these three dating tendencies, and that's what's holding them back from finding love. And can you change it? Yeah. So the first type is people in great relationships have made a bunch of good choices. And the truth is, the person that ends up making them happy in the long term is very rarely who they thought they should be with. If you are single, And you don't want to be, at some point you have to realize you are choosing a set of problems. Why do I keep calling for boys? Or people often confuse pet peeves the ick for deal breakers. Like, he has a Velcro wallet. I can buy you a new wallet. And they say to me, I don't want to meet on an app, it's not romantic. But the number one way that couples are meeting is online. And so, because I want to help so many people find love, these are the top tricks for a great hinge profile. First of all, you're.

Logan Ury · at 0:30

I being vulnerable about my shit, about my imperfection, about my doubt, about my mental health, all of these things. And that experiment resulted in connection that I was not expecting. I thought vulnerability was a repellent. Turns out it's a magnet. And that was like a revelation in my life. So I've doubled down on that concept of just like share it. And instead of repelling people, it actually ends up drawing them closer, which I think is great. I absolutely love what you said. And I hope people rewind and listen to that part again because that's honestly a lot of what I'm trying to. Get across. So, a few months ago, I sent out this email to my newsletter and I said, Do you worry you're undatable? Is there something about you where you feel like people will reject you because of that? What is that? And hundreds of people wrote in and they said, I'm undatable because I have a chronic illness that makes me have chronic fatigue. I'm undatable because I don't have a close relationship with my parents. I'm undatable because I've slept with too many people. I'm undatable because I haven't slept with enough people. Every side of every coin, people felt like they were undatable. And then I turned that.

Steven Bartlett · at 1:09:30

But the spark often leads to relationships that burn out. The spark, the post-date eight, are eight questions to ask yourself after a date, training your brain to a new way of dating. And finally, most people suffer from one of these three dating tendencies, and that's what's holding them back from finding love. And can you change it? Yeah. So the first type is people in great relationships have made a bunch of good choices. And the truth is, the person that ends up making them happy in the long term is very rarely who they thought they should be with. If you are single, And you don't want to be, at some point you have to realize you are choosing a set of problems. Why do I keep calling for boys? Or people often confuse pet peeves the ick for deal breakers. Like, he has a Velcro wallet. I can buy you a new wallet. And they say to me, I don't want to meet on an app, it's not romantic. But the number one way that couples are meeting is online. And so, because I want to help so many people find love, these are the top tricks for a great hinge profile. First of all, you're. Wow.

Logan Ury · at 0:30
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