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The Moment Common Knowledge Changed | Last Call - With Andy Constan, Ben Hunt, Brent Kochuba and Eric Pachman

This episode of our new market wrap show Last Call breaks down the biggest market drivers right now through three distinct lenses: macro, narrative, and flows. With an oil shock driven by geopolitical conflict, rising volatility, and conflicting economic signals, the discussion focuses on what actua

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Excess Returns HostAndy Constant GuestBrent Kachuba GuestEric Pakman Guest

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Executive Summary: The episode frames the Iran/oil shock as a multi-layered market event: Andy Constant explains the macro effects of a supply-driven oil spike, Brent Kachuba maps key oil and options levels that could pin or destabilize equities, and Eric Pakman shows how labor-market data masks a deeper structural decline in many U.S. counties. The hosts emphasize uncertainty, humility, and portfolio diversification amid rapidly changing headlines.

Main Topics: Oil shock macroeconomics (Priority: 5/5): Andy Constant explains how supply shocks differ from demand shocks, why oil demand is inelastic, and how higher oil prices transmit to growth and inflation. Scenario analysis for the Iran conflict (Priority: 5/5): The discussion stresses that no one knows how the war will evolve, so investors should think in scenarios ranging from ceasefire to escalation and productive-capacity destruction. Oil, volatility, and equity market levels (Priority: 5/5): Brent Kachuba highlights key crude levels around $100 and $90, arguing that oil above $100 could send VIX sharply higher and pressure equities, while sub-$90 could spark a relief rally. Options flows and market pinning (Priority: 4/5): The episode examines a large JPMorgan hedged equity fund put position expiring on 3/31 and how dealer hedging may keep the S&P pinned near 6,475-6,500 unless oil shocks worsen. Narrative and common-knowledge shifts (Priority: 4/5): The hosts discuss how markets move when a crisis becomes widely recognized, with Ben Hunt’s framework implying that once a narrative becomes common knowledge, pricing and behavior can change quickly. Labor-market distortion and structural decline (Priority: 5/5): Eric Pakman argues that headline employment data hides broad weakness outside healthcare and that many counties are in long-term labor-force decline, especially rural areas.

Key Arguments: Oil shocks mainly hit the economy through reduced consumption of other goods because oil demand is highly inelastic. A 30%-ish oil increase can add roughly 1 percentage point to headline inflation, but that effect is transitory once prices stop rising. Central banks are constrained because inflation was already above target for an extended period, limiting their ability to ease in response to growth weakness. The market is not fully pricing all scenarios, but some of the shock is beginning to show up in volatility and equity weakness. If crude breaks above $100, volatility could spike sharply and equities could see very ugly days; if crude falls below $90, risk assets could rally hard. Large options positions can create short-term support or pinning effects around specific S&P levels until expiration. Headline payroll growth has been misleading because healthcare has accounted for an outsized share of job gains while other sectors have weakened. The unemployment rate can obscure local economic distress because it excludes people who have stopped actively looking for work. Structural decline is spreading: many more counties now show long-term labor-force losses than in the past, especially rural counties. Investors should respond with humility and diversification rather than overconfident forecasts, because the situation is highly path-dependent and tweet-driven.

Data Points: Oil shock impact on GDP: ~0.75% of GDP - Andy Constant estimated the extra spending on oil at current higher prices as a drag on other consumption. Oil price increase discussed: ~35% higher oil - Used to illustrate the scale of the supply shock and its macro effects. Headline inflation impact: ~1 percentage point increase - Andy said a roughly 30% oil increase could flow through to headline inflation by about 1%. Oil demand decline threshold: 5x larger than current shock - Andy noted demand declines historically appeared only in much larger supply shocks, around 500% price increases in the 1970s. December oil contract: $77/barrel - Brent referenced the futures market as implying some risk premium but not a full crisis price. Scenario oil level: $80/barrel - Andy described living with $80 oil for a year as a significant growth hit. Bullish oil scenario: $60/barrel - Andy said a resolution and return to prior supply-demand conditions could be very bullish for risk assets. Crude level watched: $100/barrel - Brent said a break above $100 would likely trigger a major volatility and equity selloff. Crude downside level: $90/barrel - Brent said a move below $90 would suggest conflict de-escalation and could crush volatility. VIX level if oil breaks $100: 50 - Brent’s estimate for volatility if crude moves decisively above $100. Current VIX level mentioned: 28 - Brent cited the VIX as already waking up during the crisis. S&P support zone: 6,475-6,500 - Brent identified this as the key pin/support area tied to options positioning. Net put position: ~24,000 contracts - One of the large open-interest bars around the S&P support zone. Additional put position: ~45,000 puts at 6,500 - Another large open-interest concentration near the same strike area. JPMorgan hedged equity fund position: ~35,000 contracts expiring 3/31 - Brent said this expiring put position could influence market pinning into expiration. Gamma at strike: ~$20 million currently; potentially a couple hundred million near 6,475 - Brent described how dealer hedging could intensify near expiration. Historical structural decline counties (2010 lookback): 8% of counties - Eric’s benchmark for counties losing 10%+ of labor force over 20 years as of 2010. Structural decline counties (2025 lookback): 32% of counties - Eric said the share quadrupled by the end of 2025. Healthcare job share: Over 100% / about 150% of net job gains at one point - Eric argued healthcare accounted for all or more than all reported payroll growth for a period. Medicaid funding cut: 10% - Eric warned future Medicaid regulation could reduce healthcare employment growth. County examples: Perry County, Alabama and Clark County, Nevada - Used to show how the same unemployment rate can mask very different labor-market realities.

Pivotal Quotes: "Three quarters of a percent of GDP is being spent on extra payments for oil that really have to get paid because it's essentially a necessity." — Andy Constant: Explaining the macro drag from a supply-driven oil shock. "If crude breaks 100, I think VIX goes to 50. And then I think the equity market probably has some very, very ugly days." — Brent Kachuba: Describing the market risk threshold tied to oil prices. "The unemployment rate may have been a good indicator, but I think we vastly overweight it." — Eric Pakman: Arguing that headline labor data obscures deeper structural decline.

Implications: Listeners should expect continued volatility, with oil, options flows, and labor data all signaling fragility beneath headline stability. The episode argues for humility, scenario thinking, and diversified portfolios rather than confident forecasts.

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