Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

The Pandemic Broke the Economy (EP.264)

On today's show we talk about why the first 6 months of the year were one of the worst ever for financial markets, why it's so difficult to gauge the economy right now, what's priced into the stock market, the worst earnings call ever, the psychology behind inflation and much more. Fi

Featured Speakers

The Compound Host

Topics Discussed

Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode argues that 2022’s first half was one of the worst six-month stretches ever for a classic stock-bond portfolio, but also that much of the damage may already be behind investors. The hosts discuss falling inflation expectations, collapsing commodity prices, recession definitions, market sentiment, tech and consumer blowups, and how investors should react to lump sums and ongoing savings amid volatility.

Main Topics: Historic market drawdown in stocks and bonds (Priority: 5/5): The hosts quantify how rare and severe the first half of 2022 was for U.S. stocks, intermediate bonds, and a 60/40 portfolio, noting comparisons to the Great Depression, 1937, the 1970s, dot-com, and 2008. Inflation expectations and commodities rolling over (Priority: 5/5): They examine falling five-year TIPS breakevens, declining commodity prices, and how recent inflows into commodities are now reversing, suggesting inflation may be peaking. Recession debate and the role of employment (Priority: 5/5): They debate whether the U.S. is already in recession, citing NBER criteria, GDPNow weakness, but also still-strong employment and income data that complicate simple recession calls. Valuation reset and market pricing (Priority: 4/5): The hosts argue markets may be pricing not only recession risk but also a broader regime shift toward higher rates and inflation, which would justify lower valuations than the prior era. Consumer balance sheets, savings, and inflation distribution (Priority: 4/5): They discuss excess pandemic savings being spent down unevenly, with lower-income workers potentially benefiting from wage growth even as inflation hurts households broadly. Company-level stress: RH, Bed Bath & Beyond, Netflix, Meta, crypto (Priority: 4/5): They review weak updates from Restoration Hardware and Bed Bath & Beyond, Netflix churn dynamics, Meta/tech layoffs, and crypto deleveraging/unwind issues, using these as signs of a slowing economy and changing consumer behavior. Media, investing psychology, and personal portfolio decisions (Priority: 3/5): They emphasize simplification and discipline in portfolio decisions, favoring immediate deployment of lump sums into low-cost index funds rather than overthinking market timing.

Key Arguments: The first half of 2022 was an exceptionally bad period for diversified investors; historically, only a few crisis episodes were worse for stocks and bonds combined. Even if the next six months are better mathematically, sentiment may still feel worse because investors are already scarred by the initial drawdown. Market-based inflation expectations now matter more than usual because they are aligning with other signs that inflation is peaking. Commodity inflows were heavily front-loaded around the war’s start, so the reversal suggests performance chasing hurt many late buyers. A recession is not defined solely by two negative GDP quarters; employment and income matter, and those data were still holding up. The market could be repricing a higher-inflation/higher-rate world rather than a pure recession scenario. For net savers, lower markets are beneficial because new contributions buy assets at cheaper prices. A lot of recent corporate weakness may reflect demand pull-forward and inventory normalization after pandemic-era overspending. Crypto’s problems are framed as a mix of leverage, counterparty risk, and structurally poor product design rather than purely technology failure. Investors should avoid overcomplicating lump-sum decisions: if the money is long-term and broadly diversified, deploying it now is reasonable.

Data Points: Five-year TIPS breakeven rate: Peaked around 3.6% in spring 2022 - Used as a proxy for inflation expectations; recently falling sharply. Stock market six-month rolling return ranking: Bottom 3% of all periods since 1926 - U.S. stock market performance over the six months through June was among the worst on record. Five-year Treasury return through June 2022: -6.4% - Intermediate-term bond proxy performance for the first half of 2022. Five-year Treasury six-month return through May 31, 2022: -7.4% - Was the second-worst six-month return for that bond series since 1926. 60/40 portfolio rolling six-month performance: Worst 2% of all rolling six-month periods since 1926 - Combining U.S. stocks and intermediate-term Treasuries. Stocks and bonds down in consecutive quarters: Fourth time in 100 years - Stocks and bonds were both down two quarters in a row, with only one historical case of three straight down quarters. Commodity inflows: Huge inflows beginning in February and ramping in March 2022 - Investors piled into commodities around the start of the war, then saw prices roll over. Gasoline price mention: About $4.60 per gallon in Michigan - Used to illustrate rapidly changing price anchors. Pandemic excess savings: $2.7 trillion - Moody’s estimate of savings accumulated by U.S. households from start of pandemic through end of 2021. Savings rate: 34% peak, then 5.4% - Personal savings rate peaked during the pandemic and later fell below the prior decade average. Savings drawn down: $114 billion - Amount of pandemic-era savings households had tapped so far. Bottom 20% earners: Only income group that didn’t draw on pandemic savings in Q1 - Mark Zandi/Moody’s observation about lower-income households. RH luxury home sales: Down 18% in Q1 - Restoration Hardware said mortgage rates doubled versus last year and luxury demand slowed. Bed Bath & Beyond net sales: -25% year over year - Company update highlighted severe deterioration in demand. Bed Bath & Beyond same-store sales: -24% - Shows the severity of retail decline. Bed Bath & Beyond digital sales: -21% - Additional weakness in omnichannel demand. Bed Bath & Beyond peak market cap: About $18 billion - Compared with roughly $380 million mentioned in the episode. Bed Bath & Beyond current market cap: About $380 million - Illustrates near-distress valuation. Netflix subscriber churn: More likely to quit in the first month than any other streaming service - Used to discuss streaming retention patterns. Two in five economists: 40% - Journal survey: saw at least a 50-50 chance of recession. Quarterly GDP debate: Potential negative real GDP in Q1 and Q2 - Used to discuss why GDP alone may not define recession.

Pivotal Quotes: "The stock market didn't hit the technical definition of a bear market until July of 2008, which is pretty nice. Because we were already in a recession then." — Ben Carlson: On how quickly markets can reprice compared with the real economy. "I think it matters right now." — Michael Batnick: Discussing falling five-year TIPS breakevens and why market inflation expectations deserve attention now. "If you aren't puzzled, you don't get it." — Quoted from Adam Tooze via discussion: Used to describe the unprecedented mix of inflation, slowdown, and financial stability risks.

Implications: Listeners should expect more volatility and fewer clean historical analogs. For long-term savers, ongoing contributions likely benefit from lower prices, but recession/inflation signals remain mixed and can still produce more downside before stabilization.

🔓 Sign Up for Unlimited Episode Search

About Animal Spirits Podcast

Animal Spirits is a show about markets, life, and investing. Join Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson as they talk about what they're reading, writing, listening to and watching. Look for new episodes every Wednesday morning. See our disclosures here - https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/

View all episodes from Animal Spirits Podcast