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TIP251: Macro Themes - Summer 2019 w/ Luke Gromen (Business Podcast)

On today's show, we talk to macro investing expert, Luke Gromen, about the current market conditions. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: Why we’re not a typical credit cycle. The bull and bear case of commodities Why the bond market should have higher yields than it has today Which big tech stock to

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Executive Summary: Luke Gromen argues that 2019 markets are being driven less by inflation, growth, or unemployment and more by a global dollar shortage created by rising U.S. deficits, shrinking foreign demand for Treasuries, and expensive FX hedging. He sees Fed policy increasingly forced by the bond market, expects rate cuts/QE, and views gold and Bitcoin as key hedges against a coming monetary reset.

Main Topics: Dollar Vulnerability and Global Liquidity Stress (Priority: 5/5): Gromen says the dollar is vulnerable because the U.S. government is effectively the most short-dollar entity in the system, while foreign central banks have stopped absorbing Treasury supply and U.S. deficits continue rising. Fed Funds vs. IOER as a Dollar-Shortage Signal (Priority: 5/5): He treats Fed funds trading above IOER as evidence that excess reserves are no longer truly excess, implying the banking system itself is short dollars and forcing the Fed to respond. Fixed Income Markets Controlling the Fed (Priority: 4/5): The discussion centers on the idea that bond and money markets are now dictating Fed policy, with the Fed losing its ability to set the price of money independently. FX Hedging, Negative Yields, and Sovereign Bond Distortions (Priority: 4/5): Gromen explains that negative FX-hedged Treasury yields and collateral/regulatory requirements are distorting sovereign bond markets globally, driving capital flows that don't match nominal yields alone. Gold and Bitcoin as Neutral Reserve Assets (Priority: 5/5): He frames both gold and Bitcoin as alternatives to fiat money, with Bitcoin acting like 'gold without the paper market' and both serving as stores of value in a stressed monetary system. Privatized Money and Stablecoins/Libra (Priority: 3/5): The conversation broadens to whether money is being privatized through crypto, stablecoins, and platform-based tokens, potentially weakening government control over issuance and taxation. What to Own in a Macro Regime Shift (Priority: 4/5): Gromen suggests a basket of gold, Bitcoin, emerging markets, commodities, and U.S. value stocks as the best positioning for the next few years if his thesis plays out.

Key Arguments: U.S. deficits are crowding out the domestic banking system, creating an internal dollar shortage that forces the Fed to inject liquidity. The Fed is increasingly reacting to market stress rather than setting conditions itself; bond markets and money markets are pulling policy. Fed funds above IOER indicates the banking system no longer has truly excess reserves, so money is pricing above the Fed's intended floor/ceiling framework. Negative FX-hedged Treasury yields mean foreign buyers must pay up to hedge dollar risk, making nominal yields misleading for global investors. Rising Treasury supply plus falling foreign demand and rising hedging costs make the dollar structurally vulnerable. Gold and Bitcoin are becoming neutral reserve assets because they sit outside the fiat system and can preserve purchasing power if currencies are debased. Bitcoin may be hard to ban in an open capital account system; the U.S. could only partially influence it through futures markets and market structure. The eventual resolution of dollar-system stress could be either massive Fed money creation, severe global dislocation, or a remonetization of gold/crypto-like assets. Tech and finance are already entrenching Bitcoin, making it more than a passing speculation and closer to a structural monetary asset. Cash-settled futures on monetary assets can distort price discovery by shifting power to the biggest balance sheet, as seen in gold and potentially Bitcoin.

Data Points: Conversation date: June 25, 2019 - Sets the macro backdrop for the discussion. Dollar decline in 2017: 12% - Gromen cites this as the biggest drop in nearly 30 years at the time. U.S. deficits rising as % of GDP: First time since 2009 - He flags 3Q16 as a key turning point. Fed funds over IOER crossover: March 2019 - He says this signaled the banking system was running into a dollar shortage. Global central bank gold purchases: Almost $200 billion - Bought over the prior six years, according to Gromen. U.S. Treasury sales by global central banks: About $10 billion - He contrasts gold buying with Treasury selling. Japanese hedge cost example: Negative 65 basis points - He says Japanese investors hedging U.S. dollar risk on 10-year U.S. Treasuries faced this cost. German bond example: Negative 25 basis points - Used to illustrate how FX hedging can still make foreign bonds attractive on a hedged basis. Gold stock-to-flow ratio: 65x - Used to explain why gold can be influenced by paper markets but still remains monetary. Oil stock-to-flow ratio: 1.2 - Used as a contrast to show why oil cannot be paper-driven in the same way as gold. Bitcoin price move example: $100 to $11,000 - Gromen describes this as 'hyperinflation in Bitcoin terms' over roughly three years. CBOE Bitcoin futures contract: Shut down in March 2019 - He notes the smaller cash-settled futures market ended when Bitcoin was about $3,800. Bitcoin price after CBOE shutdown: Tripled in three months - He cites this as an interesting coincidence or signal. Anadarko investment: $10 billion - Warren Buffett's reported bet on oil price exposure.

Pivotal Quotes: "the vulnerability of the dollar is really a function of the fact that there's no one more short dollars than the U.S. government" — Luke Gromen: Summarizing his core thesis on structural dollar weakness. "Fed funds over IOER is the warning gauge that push is coming to shove" — Luke Gromen: Explaining why the money market signal is so important for Fed policy. "Bitcoin has done what gold should have been doing all along" — Luke Gromen: Comparing Bitcoin's price action and monetary role to gold.

Implications: Listeners should view 2019 market moves through the lens of a funding and reserve-currency stress cycle, not just growth or inflation. If Gromen is right, rate cuts, QE, gold, Bitcoin, and value/commodity exposure become central positioning themes while fiat-system fragility grows.

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