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TIP422: Frontier Market Investing w/ Maciej Wojtal

Stig Brodersen speaks to Maciej Wojtal about investing in Iran. Iran equities are trading at P/E ratios of 3-5, and a dividend yield of 20% of blue-chip stocks is not uncommon. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: 01:12 - Why you want to be invested in a stock market that is opening up. 16:32 - The bull a

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Stig Brodersen HostMatie Voltal Guest

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Executive Summary: The episode argues that Iran may be a rare frontier-market opportunity: a large, educated, diversified economy with extremely low foreign ownership, deep sanctions-driven inefficiencies, and unusually cheap valuations. Voltal contends that if sanctions ease and capital flows normalize, Iranian equities could benefit from FX stabilization, margin expansion, import substitution, stronger consumer demand, and a wave of foreign investment.

Main Topics: Why Iran resembles past market openings: Voltal compares Iran to China, Russia, and Poland when foreign capital first entered—arguing that shallow ownership, low liquidity, and regulatory barriers can cause dramatic reratings once access opens. Sanctions, currency distortions, and macro upside: He explains that sanctions have depressed oil exports, weakened the rial, driven inflation, and distorted the economy, but also created eventual upside if oil revenues, FX stability, and monetary conditions normalize. Iran’s economy beyond oil: Iran is portrayed as a diversified economy with manufacturing, autos, steel, petrochemicals, software, consumer staples, and regional export capacity—not just an oil play. Valuation and stock-market inefficiency: The market is said to be extraordinarily cheap, with low P/E ratios and high dividend yields, partly because domestic retail investors dominate trading and professional capital is scarce. FX mechanics and company winners/losers: Voltal details Iran’s multiple exchange rates and argues that exporters, import-substitution businesses, and dollar-sensitive firms benefit differently from rial depreciation and policy shifts. Political and geopolitical context: He argues the regime’s core economic direction changes little across presidents, while China, Europe, and regional partners matter more than U.S. politics for Iran’s medium-term investment path.

Key Arguments: Iran has under 0.5% foreign ownership, so any easing of access could trigger a powerful inflow of capital into an under-owned market. Opening markets often leads to rapid dollar-denominated gains because foreign capital arrives faster than local liquidity can absorb it. Iran is not just an oil economy; oil and gas are now less than 10% of GDP, while manufacturing and regional exports are substantial. Sanctions inflate transaction costs, restrict insurance/logistics/payments, and force exporters to sell at discounts, compressing margins. If sanctions ease, Iranian exporters could gain both volume and margin expansion, while the entire economy could benefit from stabilization. The rial’s depreciation is central to both macro inflation and equity returns; many listed companies are naturally hedged or positively exposed to a weaker currency. Domestic producers may outperform exporters in sanctions regimes because imports collapse and local firms gain market share. Iran’s equity market is deeply inefficient because it is dominated by retail investors, creating opportunities in rights issues, holdings, and overlooked sectors. Current valuations and dividend yields are unusually attractive relative to global markets, making the risk/reward compelling for non-U.S. investors willing to navigate sanctions. China is the most important external partner because it has the strongest strategic incentive to invest in Iranian energy and infrastructure.

Data Points: Foreign equity ownership: 0.5% - Foreigners own only a tiny share of the Iranian market, highlighting how little international capital is present. China market opening example: ~12x in less than 2 years - Voltal cites China’s dollar-denominated index gain after partial opening in the early 1990s. Russia market opening example: ~10x in less than 2 years - He compares Russia’s early post-opening stock-market surge to Iran’s potential. Poland market opening example: ~25x in less than 2 years - Used as the most dramatic historical comparison for a foreign-capital inflow rerating. Iran population: 84 million - He describes Iran as a large domestic market with significant scale. Median age: ~30 years - Presented as a favorable demographic profile for long-term growth. Regional market size: 500+ million people - Iran plus neighboring markets create a large regional export opportunity. Stock market listed companies: ~600 companies across 50 industries - Illustrates the breadth and diversification of the Iranian market. Market capitalization: ~$250 billion - Voltal says this would make Iran one of the largest frontier markets if classified as such. Average daily liquidity: ~$400 million per day - Shows the market is liquid despite minimal foreign participation. Foreign investors in market cap: <0.5% - Reiterates the low penetration of external capital. Main index history: Launched May 2008 - Used for the dollar-return analysis over 13 years. Dollar return on Iranian assets: >13% annualized - He says foreign dollar investors would have earned this over the 13-year period. S&P 500 comparison: ~12.5% annualized - Used to emphasize that Iranian equities outperformed despite sanctions and turmoil. 2018 rial depreciation: ~75% - A major currency move that preceded a strong equity rally in dollar terms. 2019 market return: Doubled in USD terms - He says Iranian equities were the best-performing market globally in dollar terms that year. 2019-2020 market return: Tripled in USD terms - Combined performance over this period despite U.S. sanctions. Official exchange rate: ~42,000 rials/USD - Used only for essential imports; he says ordinary investors cannot access it. NEMA rate: ~250,000 rials/USD - The main corporate liquidity platform for exporters/importers. Bazaar/market rate: ~280,000 rials/USD - The accessible individual market rate at the time of the interview. Average spread NEMA vs market: ~10% - Typical gap between corporate and individual FX rates. Inflation before sanctions escalation: ~8-10% - He argues inflation was manageable before the latest sanctions wave. Current inflation regime: ~50% (implied) - He attributes the surge to sanctions and currency weakness. Oil export upside: ~2 million barrels/day - Potential regained export volume if sanctions ease. Additional oil revenue: $50-80 billion/year - Estimated revenue boost from restoring exports. Fertilizer producer valuation: ~3.2x forward earnings - Example of especially cheap commodity-linked equities. Utility company valuation: ~4.5x P/E - A monopoly utility supplying chemical gases and water to petrochemical plants. Utility dividend yield: ~20% - Example of high cash yield with euro-denominated contracts. Average forward P/E of top 100 companies: ~4.8x - Shows broad market cheapness among the best-covered names. Average dividend yield: ~12% - Expected 12-month yield for the top 100 companies. Pharma example P/E: ~4x earnings - Stable business cited as a cheap consumer-health opportunity. Pharma dividend yield: ~21% - Example of high payout in a non-sanctions-sensitive sector. Cement company valuation: ~4-5x earnings - Regional exporter with Iraq exposure. Software company valuation: ~8x earnings - Higher-multiple growth sector within the market. Deposit rates: ~20% - High interest rates create competition for equities but still compare favorably to cheap stocks. Chinese long-term partnership: $400 billion over 25 years - Described as a major strategic and infrastructure commitment. China front-loaded investment scale: ~2x Iran GDP - He says the proposed investment is enormous relative to Iran’s economy.

Pivotal Quotes: "there is a liquid, deep, diversified stock market where you can buy the cheapest assets in the world and you have no competition from foreign investors" — Matie Voltal: Summarizing why Iran is a compelling frontier-market opportunity. "the single most important factor that made me go there ... were the valuations" — Matie Voltal: Explaining what ultimately convinced him to establish an Iran-focused fund. "Iran is probably the most exciting market for the next decade" — Matie Voltal: Referring to sentiment from a major passive asset manager and the long-term opportunity.

Implications: For investors, Iran represents a high-risk, sanctions-sensitive but potentially outsized rerating opportunity. If access broadens and macro stabilizes, valuation re-rating, dividend income, and earnings growth could be substantial—especially for non-U.S. investors able to navigate restrictions.

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