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TIP438: Berkshire Hathaway Masterclass w/ Chris Bloomstran

Stig has invited legend investor Chris Bloomstran from Semper Augustus to teach us how to value Berkshire Hathaway on today's show. Semper Augustus has an outstanding track record with a CAGR of 9.2% after fees (10.0% before fee) since his fund's inception on 2/28/1999 compared to 8.1% for

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Executive Summary: Chris Broomstrand argued that U.S. equities, especially the S&P 500, are richly valued and likely to deliver much lower future returns than the past decade because returns are now driven mainly by expensive multiples and record margins. He contrasted Berkshire Hathaway’s durable reinvestment model, discussed 13F disclosure limitations, assessed Berkshire’s Alleghany acquisition, and explained why Berkshire is relatively resilient to inflation and higher rates.

Main Topics: S&P 500 valuation and expected future returns (Priority: 5/5): Broomstrand framed the market as a single company and argued the S&P 500 is trading at historically rich levels, implying muted forward returns unless margins and multiples expand further. Decomposing stock-market returns into five drivers (Priority: 5/5): He broke total return into sales growth, share-count changes, dividend yield, profit-margin change, and valuation multiple change, showing that recent returns were largely driven by margin and multiple expansion. Berkshire Hathaway vs. the market (Priority: 5/5): He contrasted Berkshire’s long-term capital retention and intelligent redeployment with the market’s tendency toward buybacks, dilution, and short-termism, arguing Berkshire compounds more sustainably. 13F filings and disclosure limits (Priority: 4/5): He explained what 13F filings reveal and omit, emphasizing that cash, non-U.S. holdings, inherited positions, and tax-driven trailers can make public filings misleading. Berkshire’s Alleghany acquisition (Priority: 5/5): He viewed Berkshire’s purchase of Alleghany as strategically excellent due to insurance float, investment portfolio flexibility, underwriting quality, and succession value, though he disliked the all-cash structure for taxable investors. Inflation and interest-rate impacts on Berkshire (Priority: 5/5): He argued Berkshire is relatively well positioned for inflation and higher rates because of its fortress balance sheet, shorter-duration insurance liabilities, regulated utilities, and limited bond-duration risk. Buffett’s letters and Berkshire governance (Priority: 3/5): He praised Buffett’s shareholder letters as enduring investment education while criticizing activist-style proxy proposals, especially governance changes that would split the chairman and CEO roles before Buffett leaves.

Key Arguments: The S&P 500’s current valuation implies much lower future returns because earnings yields are low and both margins and multiples are near record highs. Recent index returns were driven far more by multiple expansion and margin expansion than by organic sales growth, which has been modest. Berkshire’s model is superior because it retains and redeploys capital at attractive rates instead of relying on buybacks or financial engineering. 13F filings are useful but incomplete; they can misrepresent true portfolio exposure because they omit cash, foreign holdings, and inherited or legacy positions. Alleghany is a strong strategic fit for Berkshire because Berkshire can retain more insurance risk, invest float more aggressively, and improve returns on the acquired assets. Inflation hurts most businesses, but Berkshire should fare better than peers due to pricing power in some subsidiaries, regulated returns, and lack of long-duration bond exposure. Higher interest rates are not a major negative for Berkshire because cash can be reinvested at better rates and the company already has built-in optionality in its cash holdings. Buffett’s shareholder letters remain foundational educational material, and Berkshire’s governance should not be altered by activism before Buffett’s departure.

Data Points: Semper Augustus fund CAGR after fees: 9.2% since February 1999 - Stated in the introduction as the manager’s track record S&P 500 comparison CAGR: 8.1% - Compared with Semper Augustus performance Current S&P 500 valuation: mid-20s P/E; over 300% of sales; around 5x book - Described as all-time-high or near all-time-high valuation measures S&P 500 earnings yield: less than 5% (close to 4% at year-end) - Derived from market trading north of 20x earnings S&P 500 profit margin: 13.4% at year-end - All-time record cited in the return decomposition S&P 500 total return over last 10 years: 16.6% annualized - Used to decompose return drivers S&P 500 sales growth over last 10 years: 3% per year - Top-line growth component of return S&P 500 sales per share growth over last 10 years: 3.7% per year - Adjusted for share shrinkage/buybacks S&P 500 share-count change: about -0.7% per year - Average net shrinkage from buybacks vs dilution Dividend yield over the decade: 2.4% then 1.3% at year-end - Dividend contribution to historical and current return math P/E multiple expansion over last 10 years: from 13.1x to 23.6x - Operating earnings basis; major driver of returns Margin contribution to return: about 4 percentage points - Attribution of the 10-year S&P return P/E contribution to return: 6.4 percentage points - Attribution of the 10-year S&P return S&P 500 annual return in 1990s decade: 18.2% - Decade ending 1999, fueled by multiple and margin expansion S&P 500 P/E at end of 1999: 28.4x - Marked as a bubble-like ending valuation S&P 500 annual return in 1999-2009 decade: about -1% per year - Defined by two bear markets and valuation contraction Five largest tech stocks combined return: 29.8% annualized - Cap-weighted return for the Fab Five over the decade Fab Five revenue growth: from under $300 billion to over $1.4 trillion - Shows sales growth as primary driver for mega-cap tech returns Fab Five revenue growth rate: 17% annual growth in revenues per share - Group-level top-line expansion Fab Five share-count reduction: 21% reduction - Driven largely by Apple and Microsoft buybacks Berkshire intrinsic value estimate: a little over $600,000 per A share / a little over $400 per B share - Broomstrand’s year-end appraisal Berkshire normalized economic earnings: about $48 billion - His estimate used to derive intrinsic value Berkshire stock portfolio size: about $350 billion - Used in discussion of hidden value and optionality Berkshire year-end cash: about $144 billion - Used in rate/optional value discussion Berkshire insurance premium volume: about $70 billion - Base for underwriting and float discussion Alleghany acquisition price: $11.6 billion cash - Berkshire’s announced purchase price Alleghany purchase multiple: 1.26x book value - Highlighted as attractive pricing Alleghany premium to market price: 16% premium - Announcement premium Alleghany premium written: about $7 billion - TransRe, RSUI, and CapSpecialty combined Berkshire statutory surplus: about $300 billion - Explains ability to retain more insurance risk than peers BHE renewables share: about 50% - Berkshire Hathaway Energy’s energy mix Berkshire capex on utilities: over $70 billion - Compared against mid-30 billions in depreciation Record profit in MSR group: best record profit in 2021 - Used to show improvement in Berkshire’s non-insurance industrial businesses Potential effect of higher rates on Berkshire cash: $2 to $3 billion in additional interest income - Estimated benefit from higher short-term rates

Pivotal Quotes: "I would argue that even with the debt cost of capital very low, ... you’re not reinvesting at that ROE." — Chris Broomstrand: Critique of S&P 500 buyback behavior versus Berkshire-style reinvestment "The notion that we’re running on balance sheet credit market debt at almost 400% of GDP ... the remedy for too much debt really should be austerity and deflation, recession." — Chris Broomstrand: His macro view on inflation, debt, and long-term economic risks "Berkshire wins on the insurance front because it’s got the Fort Knox balance sheet." — Chris Broomstrand: Summary of why Berkshire is resilient in inflationary and rate-hiking environments

Implications: Listeners should expect lower broad-market returns from highly valued U.S. equities and recognize that Berkshire’s durability comes from capital discipline, float, and balance-sheet strength. The episode also warns that public filing data can mislead without context.

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