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TIP439: How to Buy Stocks During A Crisis w/ Nick Maggiulli

On today’s show, Trey sits down with Nick Maggiulli. Nick is the COO and Data Scientist at Ritholtz Wealth Management. He’s also the author of the popular blog OfDollarsAndData.com as well as his new book Just Keep Buying, which authors like Morgan Housel deem a “must-read.” Nick is an expert in ref

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Executive Summary: Nick Majuli argues for evidence-based, low-friction investing: maximize flexibility, buy consistently, diversify broadly, and avoid common myths like always maxing a 401(k), buying the dip, or assuming stock-picking skill. He emphasizes taxes, fees, behavioral discipline, and risk management, while noting that wealth, retirement, and market timing are often more about psychology and luck than intuition.

Main Topics: 401(k)s, taxes, and account choice (Priority: 5/5): Majuli challenges the blanket advice to max out a 401(k), arguing that after accounting for tax benefits, fees, and lockup risk, a brokerage account can be equally or more attractive for some investors. Roth vs. traditional contributions (Priority: 4/5): He says the right choice depends on personal tax expectations, age, and flexibility needs; his practical preference is often a mix of both, especially when matching contributions are involved. Lump-sum investing vs. averaging in (Priority: 5/5): Majuli distinguishes true dollar-cost averaging from slowly deploying windfalls, arguing that investing as soon as capital is available usually beats holding cash for a better entry point. Why buying the dip fails (Priority: 5/5): He explains that markets trend upward over time, so waiting for a crash can mean missing years of gains; even a successful dip purchase can still be worse than investing earlier. Stock picking skepticism (Priority: 5/5): Beyond underperformance after fees, he argues most investors cannot know whether they have skill because stock-picking feedback is noisy and sample sizes are too small to distinguish luck from ability. Portfolio construction: bonds, REITs, royalties, and rebalancing (Priority: 4/5): He supports broad diversification and simple portfolios, sees bonds as a risk-control tool rather than a return engine, and likes REITs/royalties for income exposure without operational hassle. Wealth psychology, retirement, and luck (Priority: 4/5): Majuli stresses that feeling rich is relative, retirement spending often falls over time, and market entry/exit timing is heavily influenced by luck rather than control.

Key Arguments: Maxing a 401(k) is not universally optimal because the all-in cost can offset the tax advantage, and locking money until 59.5 reduces flexibility. A Roth-or-traditional decision depends on future tax rates, which are unknowable; using both creates optionality. Windfall money should usually be invested quickly rather than staged in over time, because sitting in cash is itself a market-timing bet. Buying the dip is often inferior to regular investing because the market may never revisit the earlier purchase level, and waiting can miss compounding. Stock picking is statistically difficult and psychologically hard to validate because even skilled managers underperform at times and most people cannot identify skill in themselves. Bonds still matter because they reduce portfolio risk and provide return of capital, especially for investors who need stability rather than maximum growth. Rebalancing should be simple and tax-aware, preferably using new contributions to restore targets instead of selling frequently. Retirement portfolios can keep compounding after retirement; many retirees spend less than expected and often do not draw down principal. Relative wealth matters more than absolute wealth; people often feel poor because they compare themselves to richer peers rather than global norms.

Data Points: 401(k) annual tax benefit: about 0.73% per year - Majuli’s simulation comparing tax-advantaged accounts with a well-managed brokerage account Shorter rounded estimate of 401(k) benefit: about 0.7% per year - Same discussion, simplified for illustration Market drawdown in March 2020: about 33% - Used in the buy-the-dip and recovery example Recovery gain needed from a 33% drop: 50% - Illustration of how much upside is needed to return to prior highs Expected yield if recovery takes 5 years: about 10% per year (roughly 8.5% compounded) - Back-of-the-envelope example for a 33% drawdown recovering to old highs in five years Estimated market upside to March 2020 bottom vs. 2017 purchase: 7% higher - Even the pandemic low was above the earlier 2017 entry price in his example SPIVA active-manager underperformance: roughly 60% to 80% - Percentage of managers that fail to beat benchmarks across global equity markets over 3- to 5-year periods Top skill share in stock picking: about 10% to 15% - Majuli cites studies suggesting only a minority have demonstrable skill Top 10% global wealth threshold: about $93,000; rounded to $100,000 - He uses this to argue many listeners are globally wealthy Retirement spending decline: about 1% per year - Used to show retirees often spend less over time than expected Chance of growing wealth under 4% rule: more likely to quadruple wealth than see principal fall below starting level - Citing Michael Kitsis on a historical 60/40 portfolio over 30 years Bitcoin position example: $8,000 entry rising to $52,000 - His personal example of a concentrated position triggering rebalancing College inflation claim: up something like 500% in 20 years - Raised in the discussion of 529 plans and college costs 30-year bond yield example: 2.5% - Compared against high inflation in the bond discussion Inflation example: 8% - Used to explain why nominal bond yields can be unattractive in real terms

Pivotal Quotes: "we don't own bonds for the return on capital, but for the return of capital" — Nick Majuli: Explaining bonds as a risk-management tool rather than a growth engine "I think the existential argument is more important than the performance one." — Nick Majuli: Why most people should avoid stock picking even aside from weak historical returns "we start out our lives as growth stocks and we end our lives as value stocks." — Nick Majuli: A metaphor for shifting expectations, identity, and happiness over a lifetime

Implications: Listeners are encouraged to prioritize simplicity, flexibility, and diversification over popular finance dogma. For investors and advisors, the episode reinforces that taxes, fees, behavioral discipline, and risk control often matter more than clever market calls.

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