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TIP774: Being Greedy While Others are Fearful w/ Shawn O'Malley

On today’s episode, Clay is joined by Shawn O’Malley to discuss what he’s learned through hosting The Intrinsic Value Podcast over the past year. They also dive into The Intrinsic Value Portfolio, which includes holdings like Uber, Alphabet, Lululemon, Nike, and Adobe. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

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Stig Brodersen HostSean O'Malley Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Sean O'Malley discusses the evolution of his investment philosophy, the performance of the Intrinsic Value Portfolio, and deep dives into Lululemon, Nike, and Adobe. He emphasizes the importance of concentrated, long-term investing in high-quality compounders, using consumer insights, and maintaining a disciplined valuation approach. The portfolio has returned over 10% year-to-date despite holding significant cash, with key positions in Alphabet, Uber, and Reddit performing well.

Main Topics: Evolution of Investment Philosophy (Priority: 5/5): Sean shifted from passive learning to active stock picking, emphasizing concentrated portfolios and the power of finding '100-baggers' through long-term compounding rather than short-term trades. Intrinsic Value Portfolio Performance (Priority: 5/5): The portfolio is up over 10% YTD despite holding 30-90% cash. Key winners include Reddit (triple), Uber (+50%), NuBank (+40%), Ulta (+40%), and Alphabet (+60%). Investment Thesis on Lululemon and Nike (Priority: 4/5): Both are seen as strong brands with temporary challenges. Lululemon trades at a PE below 12 with strong international growth, while Nike is a turnaround story with a powerful global brand and new CEO. Investment Thesis on Adobe (Priority: 5/5): Adobe is considered undervalued (PE ~20) despite AI fears. Its enterprise switching costs, subscription model, and Firefly AI integration provide a durable competitive advantage. Research Process and Critical Thinking (Priority: 4/5): Sean uses Notebook LM, earnings calls, and extensive writing to connect dots. He emphasizes that writing out theses clarifies understanding and differentiates him from most investors. Consumer Insights as an Investing Tool (Priority: 3/5): Using personal experience with products (e.g., Adobe, Uber, Reddit) helps identify durable competitive advantages and early warning signs of disruption. Valuation and Margin of Safety (Priority: 4/5): Sean stresses buying with a margin of safety, using reverse DCF to assess implied growth, and being patient with cash to capitalize on market dislocations.

Key Arguments: Investing is about making a few great decisions per decade, not many small trades. Buffett's returns came from about five key investments. Large-cap tech companies like Alphabet can be mispriced; Alphabet fluctuated from $146 to $290 in one year, showing market inefficiency. Adobe's enterprise customers have high switching costs; 95% of revenue is from subscriptions, and Firefly is trained on legally licensed data, making it commercially viable for big clients. Lululemon's brand loyalty and international growth (especially China) justify its low PE of ~12, despite recent stock decline. Nike's brand power and scale allow it to recover from strategic missteps; new CEO Elliot Hill is returning to successful playbook. Cash is a strategic asset; having it allowed buying during tariff-driven selloffs in April for companies like Adobe and Alphabet. Consumer insights are a legitimate edge; using products personally helps detect competitive threats early.

Data Points: Portfolio YTD Return: 10% - Total portfolio return including cash, with significant cash holdings throughout the year. Alphabet Stock Range: $146 to $290 - 52-week low to high, illustrating market inefficiency even for mega-caps. Adobe PE Ratio: 20 - Current PE, down from ~50 historically, despite earnings compounding at 18% annually since 2019. Adobe Revenue Growth: 50% - Total revenue increase since 2021, with double-digit percentage growth continuing. Lululemon PE Ratio: 12 - Current PE after stock declined 50% in a year, despite sales not declining. Nike Revenue: $46 billion - Annual revenue, allowing 1% spend on R&D ($500M) to maintain product leadership. Nike ROIC: 25% - Average return on invested capital over the last five years. Adobe Subscription Revenue: 95% - Percentage of revenue from recurring subscriptions. Reddit Position Trim: From 5% to 2% - Trimmed after stock rose from mid-$80s to $250 to lock in profits. Ferrari EPS Growth: 24% annually - Compounded earnings per share growth since 2016.

Pivotal Quotes: "Any year that you don't destroy one of your best loved ideas is probably a wasted year." — Clay Fink (quoting Charlie Munger): Opening the discussion on how Sean's investment philosophy has evolved over the past year. "I've come to appreciate that investing is a pursuit where hard work is required, but there's not a linear payoff to it." — Sean O'Malley: Explaining the concept of finding '100-baggers' and the importance of a few great decisions. "If you can find one exceptional business, they can really do that for you. You buy it at a reasonable price, they're compounding their intrinsic value at 20% a year by reinvesting into their own business." — Sean O'Malley: Articulating the core thesis of concentrated, long-term investing in compounders.

Implications: Investors should focus on understanding a few high-quality businesses deeply, use personal consumer insights, and be patient with cash to buy during market dislocations. The podcast demonstrates that even well-known large caps can be mispriced, offering opportunities for disciplined value investors.

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