Episode Summary
Executive Summary: The episode opens with an ad for TED’s Fixable, then shifts to a wide-ranging analysis of China’s PLA purge and military modernization, especially Xi Jinping’s removal of senior generals amid a push to prepare for a Taiwan contingency by 2027. The second half examines Milan and Lombardy as a historically Germanic, mountainous, and economically dynamic region at the center of Italy’s fashion, finance, and industrial identity.
Main Topics: Xi Jinping’s PLA purge and the Zhang Xiuxi removal (Priority: 5/5): The hosts interpret the removal of senior PLA figures as more than corruption charges, arguing it reflects deeper disputes over loyalty, doctrine, and military priorities within Xi’s broader consolidation of power. China’s military modernization and Taiwan timeline (Priority: 5/5): The conversation frames PLA reforms as part of a serious effort to build a 21st-century combined-arms force capable of confronting the U.S. over Taiwan, with 2027 as an important readiness target. What actual combat experience means for military effectiveness (Priority: 4/5): The discussion emphasizes that military knowledge is practical and learned through use, while warning that modernization without combat experience creates strategic uncertainty and path dependence. Why communist regimes rarely fall to coups (Priority: 4/5): The hosts argue that communist states embed the military within party rule from the start, making the PLA a political instrument loyal to the CCP rather than an independent force prone to coups. Lombardy’s deep historical and cultural ties to the Germanic world (Priority: 4/5): The second segment traces northern Italy’s long connection to Germanic, Habsburg, and Alpine political-cultural systems, arguing that Lombardy is historically more interconnected with Central Europe than stereotypes suggest. Milan as a fashion and finance hub (Priority: 4/5): Milan is presented as a globally important but second-tier financial center and a major fashion capital, especially for menswear, with continuing influence from textiles, luxury brands, and international capital flows. Italy as an Alpine, mountainous economy (Priority: 3/5): The episode closes by showing how Italy’s geography shaped its warfare, electrification, industrial development, and regional inequality, making the country as much Alpine as Mediterranean.
Key Arguments: The PLA purge is best understood not as simple anti-corruption theater but as a conflict over doctrine, readiness, and Xi’s desire for a politically loyal force aligned with a 2027 Taiwan contingency. Xi’s military modernization project has been substantial: China has built a more professional, joint, technologically advanced force with stronger naval, nuclear, and combined-arms capabilities. Combat experience matters because military skill is only truly learned through practice; this makes PLA modernization both impressive and uncertain because China has not fought a major war in decades. Communist regimes are less vulnerable to coups because they deliberately bind the military to party rule and transform the military as part of the broader class and social order. Lombardy’s prosperity comes from centuries of dense craft production, industrial specialization, finance, and cross-border exchange with Germany, Austria, and the broader Alpine world. Milan’s global role depends on its textile base, luxury ecosystem, and financial infrastructure, but it remains below top-tier global centers like London or New York. Italy’s geography—mountainous, uneven, and strategically difficult—has shaped its military history, industrial electrification, transport infrastructure, and regional economic divergence.
Data Points: China 2025 military spending: $256 billion - Beijing’s stated amount for the PLA in 2025. Senior PLA officers removed since 2012: 80 - Cited from a U.S. Naval War College tally of removals at lieutenant general or vice admiral rank and above. Senior PLA officers removed since 2021: 50 - Shows the acceleration of Xi-era churn in the top ranks. PLA readiness target: 2027 - The conversation presents this as the key deadline for being ready for a Taiwan contingency. Approximate unofficial Chinese military spending estimate: $300 billion to $400 billion - Alternative estimates cited after adjusting for off-books spending and purchasing power parity. Chinese military spending as share of GDP: Under 2% - Used to explain how a massive economy can still produce a huge military with a modest GDP share. China’s Marines: 40,000 to 50,000 - Mentioned as evidence of growth in amphibious capability relevant to Taiwan scenarios. Italy’s Alpine share: 27% of the Alpine range - Used to argue Italy is an important Alpine country, not just Mediterranean. France’s Alpine share: 20% - Comparative geographic reference in the Italy/Alps discussion. Italy’s mountainous geography: Up to 40% to 50% of the country - Estimate of terrain over 600 meters in elevation. PLA modernization doctrine: 2020 joint operations doctrine - Referenced as the first emphatic PLA move toward true combined-arms thinking.
Pivotal Quotes: "the military has to start training seriously around this stuff" — Adam Tooze: Explaining why Xi’s purge may reflect doctrinal disputes tied to readiness for Taiwan and combined-arms modernization. "the only good way of really learning how to fight is to fight" — Adam Tooze: On the limits of military modernization without real combat experience. "Modern China needs a modern military. A modern military must be capable of fighting." — Adam Tooze: Summarizing Xi Jinping’s strategic logic for PLA reform and force-building.
Implications: China’s military is becoming more capable, but leadership purges suggest doctrine and loyalty remain unresolved risks. For Europe, Milan/Lombardy show how geography and transnational networks still shape economic power, fashion, and finance.
About Ones and Tooze
Foreign Policy economics columnist Adam Tooze, a history professor and a popular author, is encyclopedic about basically everything: from the COVID shutdown, to climate change, to pasta sauce. On our new podcast, Tooze and FP deputy editor Cameron Abadi will look at two data points each week that explain the world: one drawn from the week’s headlines and the other from just about anywhere else Tooze takes us. Check out Adam Tooze’s column at https://foreignpolicy.com/author/adam-tooze/.