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What a Global Regime Change Means for Investors | Julian Brigden

In this episode of Excess Returns, macro strategist Julian Brigden of MI2 Partners joins the show to break down today’s volatile market landscape. Brigden discusses why he believes we’re in one of the most fertile environments for macro investors in decades, the forces driving dollar weakness, infla

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Executive Summary: Julian argues the current macro setup is unusually rich for active investing: a highly financialized U.S. economy, potential policy shifts under Trump, a vulnerable dollar, and possible rotation out of expensive U.S. assets. He favors tactical positioning, price confirmation, and international/minerals exposure while warning that recession, inflation re-acceleration, or Fed control could sharply change outcomes.

Main Topics: Macro as a tactical edge, not a permanent bullish stance (Priority: 5/5): Julian says macro matters most at tops and bottoms, when policy and flows can dominate price action. He rejects passive always-long investing and emphasizes being prepared, then waiting for technical confirmation before acting. U.S. policy, tariffs, immigration, and dollar weakness (Priority: 5/5): He views Trump-era policies as transformative if delivered: tariffs act like a VAT on consumers, immigration restraint lowers trend growth, and deliberate dollar weakening could pressure U.S. assets and redirect capital abroad. Global capital rotation and underperformance of U.S. assets (Priority: 5/5): Julian argues U.S. markets have benefited from huge foreign inflows and a strong dollar, but that environment may reverse. He expects international markets, gold, silver miners, and non-U.S. assets to outperform U.S. stocks if dollar weakness persists. Price action, pair trades, and confirmation (Priority: 4/5): He stresses that having a macro thesis is not enough; traders need price confirmation. He cites the XLK/XME relative trade as a clean example of using chart breaks, positioning, and dollar cycles to time exposure. Inflation, labor tightness, and the limits of the soft landing (Priority: 5/5): Julian sees rising odds of inflation re-acceleration if growth is pushed while unemployment remains low. He doubts a soft landing is likely and warns that wage pressure could return if hiring strengthens. Bonds, debt, and financial repression (Priority: 4/5): He believes bonds are a poor long-term store of value in an inflationary regime and thinks policymakers may lean into financial repression to manage the national debt, potentially by running the economy hot and keeping yields contained. AI optimism, productivity lag, and systemic risk (Priority: 4/5): While acknowledging AI’s usefulness and long-term potential, he thinks the economic payoff will take time and may be overstated. He warns that the U.S. economy and stock market have become highly leveraged to AI spending and sentiment.

Key Arguments: Macro analysis is most useful when flows and policy dominate, especially near market extremes, rather than as a constant forecasting tool. The financial industry encourages being fully invested, which often biases investors toward cheerleading and away from risk management. Trump-era tariffs and immigration policy may reduce growth and push inflation dynamics in ways that matter for markets. The U.S. has attracted enormous foreign capital, but a weaker dollar could reverse those flows and cause U.S. equities to underperform international markets. Technical confirmation matters because macro views are often right too early; Julian uses trend breaks and relative-strength signals to time trades. A strong dollar has historically supported U.S. asset inflows; a weaker dollar tends to favor value, mining, precious metals, commodities, and emerging markets. Bonds are no longer a reliable hedge in the same way they were during the disinflation era; inflation and debt burdens make fixed income relatively unattractive. The labor market is fragile because hiring can slow before layoffs begin; once firing starts, unemployment can rise much more than markets expect. A soft landing is historically rare, and current conditions do not yet show the productivity surge needed to justify one. AI is real but likely iterative and slower than headlines suggest; current market enthusiasm may overstate near-term economic benefits. Debt management may require financial repression or policies that keep rates low and growth/inflation higher, but that has market consequences. U.S. equity ownership and household wealth are increasingly tied to AI and large-cap tech, creating fragility if the theme breaks. Investors should stay invested, but think independently, use tax-advantaged accounts, and avoid relying on industry cheerleaders.

Data Points: Foreign capital into U.S. assets: $20 trillion - Julian says the rest of the world has poured about $20T into U.S. assets over the last five years to fund U.S. exceptionalism. Estimated U.S. trend growth: No more than 2% - He argues immigration restrictions and policy shifts could cap trend growth around 2%. U.S. current account deficit: ~4% of GDP - Julian says the U.S. has recently run a current account deficit around 4% of GDP, requiring about $1.2T in annual foreign inflows. Annual foreign inflows needed: About $1.2 trillion - Used to illustrate how much capital the U.S. needs each year to fund its external deficit. XLK vs XME performance: Up about 100% YTD - Julian cites the relative trade as an example of using the weak-dollar/strong-commodity setup. Portfolio exposure among Americans: 35% claim equity portfolios over $500,000 - He cites a confidence metric showing rising household stock exposure. Previous level of that metric: 25% - He says the share rose from 25% to 35% in roughly 18 months to 2 years. AI-related layoffs: ~20,000 - He references Challenger data suggesting AI-related firings are still small in absolute terms. Soft landing success rate: 40% (Alan Blinder study) - He references a Fed study but says the historical success rate is overstated. Julian's soft landing probability: 20% - His current estimate for a soft landing given present conditions. Recession risk estimate: 40% - He assigns recession risk around 40%, rising if equities correct and hiring turns to firing. Inflation re-acceleration risk estimate: 40% - He sees roughly a 40% chance of inflation re-accelerating if policy stays growth-friendly and labor remains tight. Treasury vs gold long-term trend: Treasuries in a 'swan dive' relative to gold - He describes ten-year Treasury total return versus gold as worsening over time.

Pivotal Quotes: "Macro is very important because macro... most of the time, it isn't the driving influence, it's supporting actor. But at times, it is absolutely the central role." — Julian: Explaining why macro matters most at market tops and bottoms. "You are going to underperform by staying invested in the US asset markets. I'm not saying they're going to crash... you are just going to massively, massively underperform." — Julian: His warning to U.S. clients about expected relative underperformance if policy pushes the dollar lower and capital rotates abroad. "You can't jump in front of the steamroller. You have to wait for the price confirmation." — Julian: Describing his process for turning macro views into tradable strategies.

Implications: Investors should expect higher volatility, more policy-driven rotation, and possibly weaker U.S. relative returns. The best opportunities may come from non-U.S. assets, miners, and commodities—if price confirms the macro thesis.

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