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A Divorce Judge's Rules for Choosing the Right Person | Faith Jenkins

Attorney, television judge, and author Faith Jenkins joins Lewis Howes to discuss her book Sis, Don't Settle: How to Stay Smart in Matters of the Heart. Jenkins draws on her experience presiding over divorce cases, her own 10+ relationships before marrying at 42, and personal encounters with he

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Executive Summary: Faith Jenkins argues that successful love and marriage depend on self-knowledge, emotional maturity, radical acceptance, and choosing a partner based on character, compatibility, and shared growth—not pressure, age, or potential. Drawing from her parents’ divorce, family court work, and her own long dating history, she emphasizes due diligence, clear communication, boundaries, and not settling.

Main Topics: Waiting for the right time to marry (Priority: 5/5): Jenkins explains that she married at 42 because she trusted timing and refused to let social pressure dictate her life path. She frames singleness as a full life stage, not a holding pattern. Divorce lessons and character under stress (Priority: 5/5): Watching her parents divorce and working in family court taught her that true character shows in how people behave during conflict, breakups, and hardship. Emotional maturity and radical acceptance (Priority: 5/5): She argues that healthy breakup behavior comes from maturity: separating feelings from facts, accepting endings, and avoiding destructive retaliation. Self-knowledge, boundaries, and red flags (Priority: 5/5): Jenkins says getting to know herself helped her identify non-negotiables, recognize subtle warning signs, and stop investing in relationships that were misaligned. Compatibility, communication, and shared commitment (Priority: 5/5): She stresses that long-term success requires compatibility, communication skills, conflict management, and a mutual commitment to growth and service. Pre-engagement counseling and due diligence (Priority: 4/5): She describes pre-engagement and premarital counseling as a way to reduce uncertainty by discussing healing, expectations, household roles, children, and life goals before commitment. Personal growth, joy, and purpose beyond relationships (Priority: 4/5): In her closing reflections, Jenkins says to choose joy now, embrace closed doors as redirections, and keep entering bigger rooms to create opportunity.

Key Arguments: Age is not the ultimate measure of relationship success; knowing yourself and becoming healthy matter more than marrying young. Divorce and breakups reveal character: how someone treats you when things go wrong is the real test. People often try to destroy ex-partners because they are emotionally immature and unable to separate hurt from behavior. Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional; acceptance reduces unnecessary emotional damage after a breakup. Small lies and subtle inconsistencies matter because patterns reveal character more reliably than promises. You cannot date or marry based on potential; you must date the reality in front of you. A successful relationship is built, not found: healthy people create healthy relationships through intentional work. Marriage is a conscious decision, not just a feeling; love must be chosen repeatedly through ups and downs. Pre-engagement counseling helps surface hidden incompatibilities before legal and emotional commitments are made. A partner’s treatment of vulnerable or powerless people is a strong indicator of their true values. People who stay together long term are committed to the same commitment: growth, respect, service, and sacrifice. Singleness should be embraced as a meaningful, joyful phase of life rather than a waiting room for marriage.

Data Points: Age at marriage: 42 - Jenkins says she married at 42 after years of being asked why she wasn't married earlier. Number of long-term relationships: At least 10 - She estimates having been in at least ten committed relationships before marriage. Parents’ divorce age: 13 - She was 13 when her parents divorced, which shaped her early view of relationships. Marriage date: March 8, 2020 - She married just before the COVID-19 shutdowns. Pandemic timing: One week later - The world shut down roughly a week after her wedding. Premarital counseling stages: Pre-engagement and engagement counseling - She and her husband did counseling before getting engaged and again before marriage. Divorce statistic mentioned: 50% - A TED talk referenced the commonly cited divorce rate when discussing waiting longer to marry. Book title: Sis, Don't Settle: How to Stay Smart in Matters of the Heart - The conversation centers on her book and its advice on relationships. Human population reference: Almost 8 billion - She uses this to argue that people are not supposed to move through life on the same timetable.

Pivotal Quotes: "Pain in life is inevitable. You're going to go through painful experiences, but suffering is optional." — Faith Jenkins: She explains how radical acceptance helped her stop spiraling after breakups. "You cannot be a cynic about love and expect to attract it at the same time." — Faith Jenkins: She describes why bitterness and fear can block healthy relationships. "Weddings will break the bank, but they will not break bad habits." — Faith Jenkins: She warns that marriage itself does not fix unresolved issues or character problems.

Implications: Listeners are urged to treat relationships as intentional choices, use counseling and honest self-assessment early, and prioritize emotional health over social pressure. The episode reframes marriage as a partnership built through maturity, not luck.

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Lewis Howes is a New York Times best-selling author, 2x All-American athlete, keynote speaker, and entrepreneur. The School of Greatness shares inspiring interviews from the most successful people on the planet—world-renowned leaders in business, entertainment, sports, science, health, and literature—to inspire YOU to unlock your inner greatness and live your best life.

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