The Talk Show with John Gruber
The Talk Show with John Gruber

191: ‘He Ends Up Fighting Hervé Villechaize’ With Jim Dalrymple

Special guest Jim Dalrymple returns to the show to speculate about what Apple might announce at the upcoming WWDC 2017: Apple Watch, iPad, iOS, updated MacBooks, Apple TV, and more. Also: a celebration of the great Roger Moore.

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Executive Summary: The episode starts with a long, affectionate detour into James Bond—especially why Sean Connery and Roger Moore each defined different eras—then pivots to a dense WWDC preview. The hosts expect major software announcements, likely iOS 11 and macOS 10.13, with special attention to iPad improvements, Apple Watch health features, Siri/home hub ambitions, Apple Music/TV, and possible hardware updates for iPad and MacBook lines.

Main Topics: James Bond and the Connery vs. Moore debate (Priority: 4/5): The conversation opens with a playful but detailed ranking of Bond actors and films, arguing that Connery is the definitive Bond while Moore made the franchise more playful, kid-friendly, and sustainable over time. Roger Moore as a person and public figure (Priority: 4/5): The hosts share admiration for Moore’s warmth, humor, and UNICEF work, using an anecdote about Moore’s autograph and secret-agent joke to illustrate his charm and graciousness. WWDC software expectations: iOS 11 and macOS 10.13 (Priority: 5/5): The bulk of the episode forecasts WWDC as a software-heavy keynote, with Apple likely revealing annual platform updates, developer APIs, and possibly significant UI or productivity changes. iPad’s unmet potential and likely WWDC focus (Priority: 5/5): The hosts argue that iPad remains constrained by being a phone-first OS on a tablet-sized device, and they hope for better multitasking, app layouts, and hardware refreshes to make it more capable for real work. Apple Watch health, fitness, and future medical features (Priority: 5/5): They discuss watchOS improvements, the possibility of glucose monitoring, and how Apple’s health/accessibility work could transform daily life for diabetics, families, and wheelchair users. Siri, smart home, and a possible Apple speaker/hub (Priority: 4/5): The conversation examines whether Apple will announce a Siri-based speaker or home hub, debating voice recognition, cameras, screens, HomeKit, and whether Apple’s version would differ conceptually from Echo/Google Home. Mac and media software possibilities (Priority: 4/5): They consider MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac, iTunes, Apple Music, TV, and Apple TV updates, but expect fewer surprises than on iPad and iOS, with some hope for cleaner, more modular apps and services.

Key Arguments: Sean Connery is presented as the definitive James Bond, but Roger Moore is credited with making Bond a more elastic, franchise-sustaining character by leaning into humor and silliness rather than imitation. Roger Moore’s public persona—especially his UNICEF work and witty graciousness—suggests he was genuinely kind and not just playing a character offscreen. WWDC is fundamentally a software conference, so the most likely announcements are iOS 11, macOS 10.13, watchOS 4, new APIs, and developer-facing changes rather than major surprise hardware. Apple’s software rollouts are easier to stage incrementally than hardware launches, because unfinished features can be deferred without delaying the whole release. The iPad remains under-optimized because iOS was born as an iPhone OS; better multitasking and productivity tools would unlock more of the device’s potential. A trackpad or better text-selection system on iPad could dramatically improve real work workflows without making iPad feel like a Mac. Apple Watch’s greatest strengths are notifications and fitness, but its future value may come from non-invasive health monitoring such as glucose tracking. Apple’s health and accessibility efforts likely serve both humanitarian and business goals, but the transcript stresses that the company appears genuinely motivated by care, not just revenue. A standalone Apple Siri/home device would need robust voice recognition, likely a screen or camera, and more intelligence than current assistants offer. iTunes is seen as overdue for breakup into focused apps (music, podcasts, video), but such a change may be slowed by Windows compatibility and legacy media infrastructure.

Data Points: Bond movies made by Roger Moore: 6 - Moore is described as the longest-running Bond actor in the discussion. Years span of Moore Bond era start: 1972/1973 - The hosts reference Live and Let Die as Moore’s first Bond film. Age gap note: Roger Moore was older than Sean Connery - Used to emphasize that Moore was not a younger recast and still made the role work. Apple Watch price referenced: $299 - Mentioned as an accessible price point for a potential glucose-monitoring health device. Apple Watch lower price estimate: $250 or $199 - Speculation that future price drops could make health features even more broadly adopted. iPad Pro 12.9-inch launch age: Over 1.5 years old - Used to argue that an iPad hardware update would be overdue by WWDC 2017. Regular iPad Pro age: A little over 1 year old - Also used to support expectations of an update. iPad mini 4 price: $399 (128GB) - Compared against the new lower-priced iPad and iPad Pro lineup. New 9.7-inch iPad price: $329 (32GB) / $429 (128GB) - Used to show the mini’s awkward position in the lineup. 9.7-inch iPad Pro price: $599 (32GB) / $699 (128GB) - Illustrates the steep jump from the standard iPad to the Pro model. MacBook uptime: 48 days - Referenced as an example of macOS reliability before a restart. Programming language keynote reaction: 5,000 developers screaming and clapping - Describes the reaction when Swift was introduced at WWDC. WWDC year referenced: 2017 - The hosts repeatedly frame expectations in the context of 2017 WWDC. Apple research publishing change: Recent policy opening - Apple reportedly allowed AI researchers to publish more openly to help recruiting.

Pivotal Quotes: "The correct answer is Sean Connery. Always. Always Sean Connery." — John Gruber: Opening jab in the Bond debate, establishing Connery as the benchmark Bond actor. "He didn't try to be Sean Connery. He didn't try to outdo Sean Connery. He just was himself." — John Gruber: Summarizing why Roger Moore succeeded in the role despite not matching Connery. "I don't give a damn about your bloody ROI." — Tim Cook (quoted by John Gruber): Used as evidence that Apple sometimes prioritizes environmental/accessibility work over immediate financial return.

Implications: Listeners get a clear map of likely WWDC themes: iPad modernization, health-focused wearables, and expanded software ecosystems. The discussion suggests Apple’s biggest gains may come from improving everyday utility and accessibility, not flashy hardware alone.

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