The Talk Show with John Gruber
The Talk Show with John Gruber

193: ‘Crack Marketing Team’ — Live From WWDC 2017 With Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi

Recorded in front of a live audience at The California Theatre in San Jose, John Gruber is joined by Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi to discuss the news from WWDC: new Mac hardware, the new iPad Pro, Mac OS 10.13 “High Sierra”, iOS 11, the upcoming HomePod, and more.

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John Gruber HostCraig Federighi GuestPhil Schiller Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Live from WWDC 2017, the conversation centered on Apple’s renewed investment across the Mac, iPad, HomePod, and developer platforms. Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi emphasized performance refinements, privacy-preserving cloud architecture, pro-focused hardware like iMac Pro and eGPU, and major display/input advances on iPad Pro. The discussion also highlighted Apple’s secrecy, education initiatives, and a consistent strategy of turning more products into computers.

Main Topics: Mac OS High Sierra and system refinement (Priority: 5/5): The speakers framed High Sierra as a refinement release focused on performance, reliability, and deep engineering improvements rather than headline UI changes. Safari speed and privacy (Priority: 5/5): Safari was presented as faster than Chrome and strengthened by Intelligent Tracking Prevention, which uses machine learning and partitioning to limit cross-site tracking. Mac hardware resurgence: iMac Pro, MacBook upgrades, and eGPU (Priority: 5/5): Apple positioned the Mac as a strong platform again with pro-grade desktop hardware, external GPU support, and continued investment in performance for demanding workflows. iPad Pro advances with ProMotion and True Tone (Priority: 4/5): The iPad Pro segment focused on the engineering behind 120Hz ProMotion, 240Hz Pencil sampling, and display quality improvements that make the device feel transformative. HomePod and the evolution of audio products (Priority: 4/5): HomePod was presented as a smart, computing-powered speaker designed to deliver superior sound and far-field voice recognition, continuing Apple’s push into audio. Privacy-preserving cloud and synchronization (Priority: 4/5): The discussion stressed that Apple can use cloud services while preserving privacy by syncing only necessary data and relying on secure, end-to-end encrypted systems. Education, Swift, and developer ecosystem (Priority: 3/5): Apple’s education efforts, Swift playgrounds, community college programs, and international coding initiatives were highlighted as long-term investments in broader developer access.

Key Arguments: High Sierra’s value is in engineering depth: faster mail storage, faster Finder/Safari, and broad refactoring rather than flashy features. Safari is legitimately faster than Chrome and should be recognized for industry-leading performance. Privacy and useful cloud features are not mutually exclusive; Apple’s challenge is implementation complexity, not lack of intent. Intelligent Tracking Prevention is justified because ad-tech tracking has become invasive and users reasonably expect browsing privacy. The Mac is not stagnant; Apple is simultaneously refining software and shipping serious pro hardware like iMac Pro and eGPU. eGPU support matters beyond gaming because GPU acceleration is central to machine learning, rendering, and professional creative apps. iPad Pro’s 120Hz ProMotion required custom silicon, graphics-driver changes, and app optimization, showing Apple’s willingness to co-design hardware and software. HomePod is a computer-powered audio product, and Apple’s modern audio expertise makes it far more capable than earlier attempts like iPod Hi-Fi. Apple’s secrecy is meant to protect teams’ hard work and allow them to present products publicly for the first time with proper impact. Education initiatives are framed as mission-driven rather than revenue-driven, aimed at helping more people learn to code.

Data Points: High Sierra mail storage improvement: 35% - Craig cited a 35% improvement in the efficiency of mail storage as an example of behind-the-scenes optimization. SetApp subscription price: $9.99 per month - John Gruber described SetApp as a subscription service for indie Mac apps. SetApp app count: 70+ apps - The service was said to include over 70 apps. Open bar sponsor count: 1 - MailChimp sponsored the open bar tradition for the event. iPhone users on latest version: 90% - Used to underscore why shipping a file-system-changing iOS update was feasible. File system reliability goal: from five nines to six nines - The file system team described reliability improvements during migration testing. Display refresh rate: 120 Hz - A major highlight of the new iPad Pro’s ProMotion display. Pencil scanning rate: 240 Hz - Craig explained the Pencil input sampling was doubled to support low-latency drawing. HomePod speaker comparison count: 6 songs - Craig referenced hearing roughly six songs in comparisons during the demo. Mac Pro user ranking: 3rd largest - Phil said the biggest pro Mac group is MacBook Pro, second is iMac, third is Mac Pro. Developer framework target: millions of developers - Apple expected ARKit and other tools to reach a very large developer audience. Safari tracking model: double-keyed cookies + local machine learning - Described as the mechanism behind Intelligent Tracking Prevention.

Pivotal Quotes: "The future of the Mac is really strong. We have a long roadmap ahead. There's complete commitment from the whole company that we're dedicated to it." — Craig Federighi: Response to concerns that Apple was losing interest in the Mac. "We think that's the way the web should be." — Craig Federighi: On limiting cross-site tracking and protecting user privacy in Safari. "It's all because of the software engineering team, the developer tools team, the Swift team that make it possible to then create these curriculums." — Phil Schiller: On Apple’s education and Swift initiatives.

Implications: Apple is signaling long-term commitment to the Mac, a stronger pro workflow story, and privacy-first computing. For developers, new frameworks and hardware create opportunities; for users, the takeaway is faster, more capable devices that increasingly embed computer intelligence into everyday products.

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