Episode Summary
Executive Summary: Howard Marks reviews a consultant-led survey of a U.S. state pension board and praises its disciplined, explicit thinking about risk, objectives, volatility, strategy, and performance assessment. He argues the board correctly prioritizes funding benefits over beating peers, accepts some return sacrifice for downside protection, and understands that short-term judging must be relative and cycle-based, not based on actuarial targets alone.
Main Topics: Risk capacity vs. willingness (Priority: 5/5): Marks highlights a 2x2 framework distinguishing a plan’s financial ability to bear risk from its psychological willingness to do so, and praises the board for intentionally choosing less than the maximum risk its finances might allow. Board attitudes toward diversification and downside tolerance (Priority: 5/5): The survey showed unanimous agreement that risk is necessary, a preference for normal market risk over opaque strategies, and acceptance that diversification implies some holdings will lag at any point in time. Objectives and the purpose of a pension plan (Priority: 5/5): The board ranked correct asset allocation first and beating peers last, which Marks applauds because the true objective of a defined benefit plan is paying benefits and minimizing sponsor cost, not outperforming other funds. Volatility as a limited proxy for risk (Priority: 4/5): Marks argues volatility matters mainly because of external factors—career, political, institutional, and behavioral pressures—not because it is the core investment risk. For pension funds and endowments, volatility can still be operationally important. Strategy choices: leverage, illiquidity, and fees (Priority: 4/5): The discussion covered using moderate leverage, allocating to illiquid assets, and focusing on net-of-fee returns. Marks generally agrees, while stressing that leverage risk, liquidity needs, and borrowing costs must be managed carefully. How to evaluate performance (Priority: 5/5): Marks explains that long-term success should be judged against actuarial assumptions, but short- and medium-term assessment should rely on relative standards, peer context, and whether the evaluation period includes a full market cycle. Personnel turnover as a diagnostic (Priority: 3/5): He suggests monitoring turnover as a possible sign of hiring quality, management problems, or unrealistic evaluation standards, while acknowledging some turnover is normal in public plans.
Key Arguments: A pension plan should choose risk based on both financial capacity and willingness; taking risk without the ability to survive losses is foolish. The board’s preference to accept some underperformance in strong markets is rational if the alternative is exposure to larger drawdowns. Defined benefit plans are not meant to beat peers; they are meant to pay promised benefits and limit sponsor contributions. Volatility is not the same as investment risk; for many investors, the real risk is permanent capital loss, while volatility mainly becomes a problem due to external consequences. Performance measurement must depend on time horizon: long term against actuarial needs, short term against peers or policy portfolios because environments differ. A valid performance review period must include both bull and bear markets; otherwise, results may reflect luck or extreme risk-taking rather than skill. Moderate leverage and some illiquidity can be sensible for a strong, well-funded plan, but only if liquidity needs and borrowing costs are respected. Turnover can indicate poor hiring, poor management, or unreasonable expectations, though some turnover is inevitable and even healthy.
Data Points: Board ranking of objectives: 1) correct asset allocation 2) hire outperforming managers 3) beat assumed rate of return 4) increase risk at the right time 5) outperform peers - Survey ranking discussed in the objectives section Board members agreeing risk is necessary: 100% agreed; half strongly agreed - Response to the statement that exposure to risk is necessary to meet objectives Risk preference under drawdown vs missed gains: Board would feel worse about aggressive strategy + market collapse than conservative strategy + missed upside - Survey finding on downside aversion Leverage tolerance: 15% to 20% of plan assets - Majority support for leverage Illiquid assets allocation: 25% of portfolio - Slim majority supported this allocation if benefits and funding needs can still be met Performance standard ranking: Actuarial assumption ranked most important; peer performance and S&P 500 relatively unimportant - Board’s view on performance assessment Actuarial assumption: 6.25% - Example used by Marks to explain long-term performance evaluation Board willingness/ability to bear risk: Moderate willingness, above-average ability - Consultant’s characterization of the pension plan based on funding status and sponsor strength Risk metric preference: Sharpe ratio ranked last among 6 performance metrics - Board’s ranking of volatility-adjusted performance measures
Pivotal Quotes: "Success for a defined benefit pension plan means being able to pay benefits and minimize the cost to the plan sponsor. Period." — Howard Marks: Explaining why peer outperformance is not the true objective for pension funds "In pure investment terms, there's no intrinsic reason for long-term investors to be concerned with volatility, as distinguished from the risk of permanent loss." — Howard Marks: His critique of volatility as the dominant risk measure "The assessment period has to include both good times and bad. In other words, it should cover a full market cycle." — Howard Marks: His framework for judging investment performance over time
Implications: Marks’ message is that institutional investors should align risk, objectives, and evaluation methods with their real liabilities and constraints. For pension funds, disciplined risk budgeting, liquidity management, and cycle-based evaluation matter more than peer-chasing or volatility obsession.
About The Memo by Howard Marks
On October 12, 1990, Oaktree Co-Chairman Howard Marks published his first memo to clients. In the decades since, he has periodically released memos reflecting his viewpoint on the investment landscape, as well as more general business insights. On this podcast we'll hear the latest memos by Howard, released in tandem with or shortly after their publication.