Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

An Extraordinary Decade (EP.236)

On today's show we discuss Omicron, why the market is over the virus, Cathie Wood's bold return forecast, why everyone is lowering return expectations, why the middle class is unhappy, the future of movies and more. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common S

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Executive Summary: The episode spans inflation, Omicron, market returns, valuation debates, crypto, housing, Robinhood, and the future of movies. The hosts argue inflation is persistent but volatile, the market may absorb Omicron if it remains mild for vaccinated people, and long-term return expectations should be tempered. They also debate whether traditional valuation models still work, highlight wealth and housing pressures on the middle class, and end with a broader thesis that blockbusters will dominate theaters while serious films move to streaming/miniseries.

Main Topics: Inflation and the limits of normalization (Priority: 5/5): The hosts focus on the CPI breakout, emphasizing that inflation is now visible on charts and may leave a lasting mark. They argue inflation is historically volatile, and that policy should normalize rates rather than abruptly crush demand. Omicron spread, market reaction, and pandemic disruption (Priority: 5/5): They discuss the rapid spread of Omicron, the apparent mildness in vaccinated people, and the practical disruption for families with unvaccinated children, schools, and holiday plans. Return expectations and valuation debates (Priority: 5/5): The conversation contrasts conservative long-term return forecasts from Vanguard/JPMorgan with Cathie Wood’s aggressive innovation thesis, while questioning CAPE-based valuation frameworks and whether earnings composition has changed too much for old models. Wealth inequality, middle-class frustration, and inflation pain (Priority: 4/5): They argue the middle class may be the most unhappy cohort because relative gains have lagged the top and bottom of the wealth distribution, while rising prices like food and rent intensify frustration. Crypto, prediction markets, and learning the space (Priority: 4/5): They discuss Kalshi partnerships, binary betting ideas, crypto education resources, and the gap between serious learning and social-media noise. They also note millennial millionaire crypto ownership as a sign of adoption. Housing market tightness and affordability pressures (Priority: 4/5): They revisit the housing shortage thesis, note millennial demand, rising rents, and the difficulty of waiting to buy as both home prices and rents increase. Media and film industry transformation (Priority: 4/5): They argue theaters will mostly be for big franchise spectacles, while original or serious films will increasingly become streaming releases or miniseries, with possible new funding models like DAOs/crowdfunding.

Key Arguments: Inflation is not a flat phenomenon; even in low-inflation eras it has been volatile, so the current spike may be more durable than people expect. The Fed should aim to normalize rates, not necessarily to intentionally trigger a recession, especially since supply-side constraints are beyond its direct control. Omicron’s rapid spread is alarming, but if it remains mild for vaccinated people, the market may continue to look through it. Long-run equity return forecasts are likely to be much lower than the last decade’s exceptional real returns, but some valuation tools may be overstating risk by relying on outdated accounting frameworks. Traditional metrics like CAPE may be less useful in an economy dominated by intangibles, software, and winner-take-most companies. The middle class may feel squeezed because it is seeing slower wealth gains relative to both the bottom half and the top 1%, even if absolute wealth has risen. Housing remains structurally tight because millennial demand is strong while supply remains constrained, making waiting costly due to rising rents and prices. The film industry is splitting: blockbusters will fill theaters, while high-quality original content will move to streaming and miniseries. Prediction markets and crypto remain areas of intense experimentation, but learning them requires serious effort and filtering out hype. Robinhood and similar platforms are vulnerable to market downturns because client assets and engagement fall when speculative assets decline.

Data Points: US CPI year-over-year: 6.8% - The opening discussion on inflation and whether the spike will leave a permanent mark. Omicron share of US COVID cases: 73% - Rapid rise cited during the discussion of variant spread over just three weeks. Omicron bet market move: 70 cents to 98 cents - The hosts referenced their Kalshi-style bet on Omicron exceeding 1% by year-end and how quickly the market moved. Delta share of cases: 27% - CNBC figure cited while noting Delta’s rapid decline from 87% a week earlier. Delta share one week earlier: 87% - Used to illustrate the speed of Omicron’s takeover. MSCI US index real return (Sep 2011-Sep 2021): 14.6% annually - GMO data cited to show the extraordinary decade-long real return for US equities. Top 25 S&P 500 firms share of index profits (2021 Q3): 46% - Calcbench data showing profits were concentrated in the largest companies. Top 25 S&P 500 firms share of index weight (2021 Q3): 42% - Compared with profits to argue the largest firms are supported by fundamentals. Top 25 S&P 500 firms share of profits (prior year): 56% - Illustrates that the largest firms have historically earned more than their index weight would imply. Bottom 50% wealth growth since pandemic start: 75% - Fed wealth distribution data referenced to explain relative frustration and inequality perceptions. Top 1% wealth growth since pandemic start: ~30% - Used to show that gains were not limited to the wealthy, but were still smaller than bottom-half growth. Middle cohort wealth growth since pandemic start: ~20% - Lower relative gain cited as a reason for middle-class unhappiness. Chipotle burrito bowl price: $14+ - Anecdote used as an everyday example of inflation pain. Inflation rate during Volcker era: 6.9% average for 11 years - Used to argue that inflation persisted far longer in the 1970s/80s before decisive policy action. Duration of current inflation above long-term average: 8 months - Compared to the much longer historical inflation run before Volcker. Durable goods inflation: Parabolic rise over 24 months annualized - Jason Furman chart discussed as a key driver of current inflation concerns. Robinhood accounts: 23 million - BofA research used to argue future growth is limited. Target market size for Robinhood (US adults age 20-34): 66 million - Used to frame the addressable market for Robinhood. Robinhood account closings in quarter: ~1 million - Described as client churn. Robinhood client losses over quarter: $9 billion - Used to show how market declines hit brokerages tied to speculative assets. Robinhood stock decline from highs: 74%-75% off highs - Context for the short thesis and trade discussion. Millennial millionaire crypto ownership: 83% own some crypto - Survey result discussed as evidence of crypto adoption among wealthy millennials. Millennial millionaire crypto concentration: Over half have >50% of portfolio in crypto - Used to emphasize aggressive allocations among affluent young investors. Millennials in first-time home purchase mortgage applications: 67% - Wall Street Journal/Fed data cited to support the housing-demand thesis. Rent inflation: 17% year-over-year - Bill McBride chart referenced to show the cost of waiting to buy a home. Cathie Wood return forecast: 30%-40% compound annual rate of return over 5 years - Her ARK outlook described as aggressively optimistic. Autonomous taxi market potential: $9-$10 trillion globally by 2030 - Cathie Wood’s bullish projection for self-driving networks. Top 10 grossing movies of 2019: 9 of 10 were sequels or live-action remakes - Derek Thompson reference to argue blockbusters dominate the theatrical market.

Pivotal Quotes: "Houston, we have a problem." — Michael Batnick: Opening reaction to the CPI surge and visible inflation breakout. "The strongest bull markets do climb a wall of worry." — Cathie Wood (quoted in transcript): Used to defend innovation stocks despite skepticism and valuation concerns. "You don't protect against inflation when it's here. You protect against inflation before it gets here." — Michael Batnick: Argument that asset allocation and equities are the real inflation hedge, not reactive moves after inflation spikes.

Implications: Listeners should expect more inflation volatility, ongoing pandemic disruption, and lower forward return assumptions than the last decade. The episode suggests that markets, housing, and media are all becoming more polarized toward winners, scale, and streaming-centric distribution.

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