Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

The High Beta Crash (EP.232)

On today's show we discuss why the stock market doesn't care about inflation (yet), the growth stock massacre, how corporations are taking advantage of inflation, the new frontiers in crypto, some career advice for The Rock and much more. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode centers on inflation’s uneven effects across markets and consumer behavior, arguing that while prices are rising sharply, spending remains resilient and some sectors are benefiting enormously. The hosts contrast hot retail demand, soaring corporate margins, and strong megacap earnings with the collapse of speculative growth stocks. They also examine crypto’s promise and chaos, billionaire power plays, supply chain easing, auto/household inflation, and what these trends mean for investing and everyday life.

Main Topics: Inflation and Consumer Spending Remain Strong (Priority: 5/5): The hosts argue that inflation is distorting headlines but not fully offsetting real demand; real retail sales remain unusually strong and consumers are still spending well above inflation. Growth Stocks, Valuation Compression, and Market Rotation (Priority: 5/5): High-beta 2020 winners like Square, Zoom, Airbnb, Robinhood, Peloton, Zillow, and others are getting hit hard, suggesting the market does care—especially where inflated expectations meet higher inflation and margin pressure. Corporate Margins, Pricing Power, and Uneven Winners (Priority: 4/5): Homebuilders, Walmart, Home Depot, and other large corporations are shown to be passing higher costs through to consumers, preserving or expanding margins and prompting criticism that big companies are benefiting from inflation. Crypto, Tokenization, and Portfolio Management (Priority: 4/5): The episode treats crypto as a genuinely important frontier but one dominated by scams, speculation, and UX friction. The hosts see future value in portfolio tools that make crypto easier to hold and rebalance. Supply Chains, Labor, and Inflation Spillovers (Priority: 4/5): The discussion covers easing port congestion, rising car prices, labor shortages, and union wage gains, showing how inflation is reshaping bargaining power and operational decisions across industries. Media, Messaging, and Perception of Inflation (Priority: 3/5): The hosts criticize sensational or misleading inflation coverage, arguing that context matters and that media framing can exaggerate public anxiety even when some prices are simply being compared against abnormal starting points. Entertainment, Media, and Cultural Observations (Priority: 2/5): The conversation closes with recommendations and commentary on movies and TV, including Red Notice, Succession, Dope Sick, and A River Runs Through It, plus broader reflections on movie theaters and streaming.

Key Arguments: Real retail sales remain very strong even after adjusting for inflation, indicating consumers are still spending heavily. The biggest market damage is happening in speculative 2020 growth names, which suggests inflation and valuation resets are hitting frothy assets hardest. Some companies are using inflation to widen margins rather than just absorb costs, which benefits large incumbents and frustrates consumers and workers. Traditional finance skepticism toward crypto is understandable because the current user experience is messy and much of what people see is speculation or fraud. Crypto’s long-term value may come less from coins themselves and more from portfolio infrastructure, tokenization, and easier integration into wealth management. Supply chain bottlenecks appear to be easing, but price levels remain elevated and the psychological impact will linger. Workers are gaining leverage in this inflationary environment, as seen in the John Deere wage agreement. Media outlets should report inflation with context instead of headline-grabbing exaggeration that distorts public perception.

Data Points: US real retail sales YoY: up over 8% - Inflation-adjusted retail sales remained hot even after excluding pandemic distortions. Real retail sales level: highest since 1999 - After inflation adjustment, spending is near pre-pandemic highs not seen since the late 1990s. Homebuilder gross margins: rose from roughly 20% to almost 25% - Margins have climbed steadily since Q2 2020, showing pricing power during inflation. Market cap of Robinhood: $23 billion - The stock has fallen sharply from earlier hype and is down around 60% since August. NVIDIA revenue growth: 50% YoY - Record company-wide revenue in the latest quarter. NVIDIA data center revenue growth: 55% YoY - Shows extraordinary demand for computing infrastructure. NVIDIA gaming revenue growth: 42% YoY - Continued strength in gaming alongside data center growth. Average new car transaction price: over $40,000 - New vehicle prices crossed this threshold in 2021. Average used car price: $25,000 - Used car prices also rose sharply amid supply shortages. Los Angeles port containers at dock: down 29% - A sign that supply chain bottlenecks are easing. John Deere wage deal: 10% first-year raise, 5% in years 3 and 5, 3% bonus in even years, $8,500 signing bonus - Union workers secured stronger compensation amid labor tightness. The Athletic subscribers: 1.2 million - The sports media company is struggling to grow despite a large subscriber base. The Athletic revenue: $41 million in 2020; on pace for $77 million in 2021 - Shows meaningful growth but still challenging economics. ShadowStats claim: 9% average inflation over 21 years - Hosts criticize the methodology as mathematically misleading. Gas prices YoY: up 60% - Illustrates how consumers feel inflation at the pump. Gas prices since 2008: down 16% nominally - Used to demonstrate why longer comparison windows can change the narrative.

Pivotal Quotes: "People are still spending a ton of money right now. Over and above the rate of inflation." — Michael Batnick: Used to argue that consumer demand remains resilient despite rising prices. "This chart sucks. This chart really sucks." — Michael Batnick: Reaction to homebuilder margins rising during inflation, reflecting frustration with corporate pricing power. "Nothing captures the current wealth disparity in this country, quite like a decentralized organization raising $40 million from 'we the people' to buy the constitution only to get outbid by a billionaire." — Corey Hofstein (quoted by hosts): Used to highlight Ken Griffin’s outbidding of a DAO in the Constitution auction.

Implications: Listeners should expect continued inflation pressure, persistent strength in consumer demand, and more rotation away from speculative growth. Large firms with pricing power may keep winning, while crypto and portfolio tooling mature unevenly. The episode suggests investors should rely on rules, diversification, and skepticism toward hype.

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