Episode Summary
Executive Summary: Howard Marks argues that successful investing depends on ignoring short-term noise, recognizing what is knowable versus unknowable, and focusing on long-term value creation. He critiques day-trading, market timing, and overemphasis on volatility, then emphasizes risk control, judgment quality, and asymmetry as hallmarks of true skill and alpha.
Main Topics: Why long-term thinking matters (Priority: 5/5): Marks says institutional investors should care about outcomes 10–20 years ahead, not short-term inflation, rates, or recession headlines, because those are not what ultimately builds wealth. The illusion of knowledge and unknowable forecasts (Priority: 5/5): He reiterates that macro predictions and near-term market calls are tempting but not knowable enough to justify focus, so investors should concentrate on information that is both important and knowable. Why the long run is not just a series of short runs (Priority: 4/5): Marks rejects the idea that good short-term trading automatically produces long-term success, using day-trading in the TMT bubble as an example of optimizing tiny wins while missing the bigger move. Randomness, probability distributions, and decision quality (Priority: 5/5): He argues the future is not deterministic; outcomes come from a distribution of possibilities, and good decisions can still lead to bad outcomes because randomness dominates in the short run. Volatility is not the same as risk (Priority: 5/5): Marks says public markets are often too volatile and that price fluctuation alone should not be treated as risk, especially when long-term fundamentals and eventual payoff remain intact. Asymmetry as evidence of skill and alpha (Priority: 5/5): He explains that valuable managers produce more upside capture than downside damage, and that asymmetry—doing better in favorable periods than being hurt in unfavorable ones—is a sign of alpha. Staying invested and avoiding self-sabotage (Priority: 4/5): Marks closes by urging investors to remain in the market for the long term, delegate if necessary, and avoid emotional reactions that cause buying high and selling low.
Key Arguments: Short-term performance is often random and not a meaningful guide to long-term success. Investors should focus on what can be known and acted upon, not on forecasts that are important but unknowable. Day-trading and other short-horizon behaviors can produce small wins while missing large long-term gains. Good decision-making cannot be judged solely by outcomes because randomness obscures causality. Public-market volatility is often excessive and should not be conflated with risk. Risk should be understood as the probability of something bad happening, not as price fluctuation. Long-term investing is about capturing durable economic growth rather than making clever timing bets. Asymmetry—more upside than downside—is what distinguishes skilled managers and justifies fees. Institutions should seek managers with complementary asymmetries or use passive exposure if they cannot identify skill. Psychology pushes investors toward the wrong behavior at the wrong time, so discipline and long-term commitment are essential.
Data Points: Memo count this year: 7 - Marks says this is his seventh memo of the year. Memes/pandemic exception: 2020 was the only year with more memos in the last decade - He notes that outside 2020, this year had the most memos in ten years. S&P 500 long-run return: 10.1% per year - Marks cites the U.S. market’s approximate 100-year annualized return. Historical period: 100 years - He references the long-run performance of the S&P over the last century. Historical recessions: 16 recessions - He notes the U.S. lived through roughly 16 recessions over the last 100 years. Major downturns/events: 1 Great Depression, numerous wars, 1 world war, 1 pandemic - Used to illustrate that long-term returns persisted despite major shocks. Bill Miller quote: 15 years in a row - Marks references Bill Miller as beating the S&P for 15 consecutive years. Wharton timeline: 60 years next year - He says the first book he remembers reading at Wharton was nearly 60 years ago.
Pivotal Quotes: "If you want to diverge from the pack and distinguish yourself, think about the long term, not the short." — Howard Marks: Explaining the core thesis behind his earlier memo and why it still drives his thinking. "You can't tell the quality of a decision from the outcome." — Howard Marks: Describing why randomness makes it impossible to evaluate judgment based only on results. "It's time, not timing, that builds wealth in the stock market." — Bill Miller (quoted by Howard Marks): Marks uses this line to reinforce the importance of staying invested over trying to time markets.
Implications: Listeners should prioritize durable value, avoid forecasting obsession, and judge managers by process and asymmetry rather than short-term returns. For the industry, this reinforces long-term, risk-aware investing over trading and volatility-chasing.
About The Memo by Howard Marks
On October 12, 1990, Oaktree Co-Chairman Howard Marks published his first memo to clients. In the decades since, he has periodically released memos reflecting his viewpoint on the investment landscape, as well as more general business insights. On this podcast we'll hear the latest memos by Howard, released in tandem with or shortly after their publication.