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Best Of: Why Housing Is So Expensive — Particularly in Blue States

Ezra is out sick, so today, we’re sharing one of our favorite conversations — with Jenny Schuetz, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution whose 2022 book “Fixer Upper: How to Repair America’s Broken Housing Systems,” is perhaps the best, clearest overview of America’s housing problems to date.

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Executive Summary: Ezra Klein and housing economist Jenny Schuetz argue that America’s housing “crisis” is really two crises: supply shortages in high-opportunity metros and unaffordability for the poorest households nationwide. They link restrictive zoning, local veto power, and pro-homeowner policies to homelessness, inequality, climate harms, and weakened democracy.

Main Topics: Two distinct housing crises (Priority: 5/5): Schuetz separates the issue into (1) too little housing in high-cost, high-opportunity metros and (2) chronic unaffordability for the bottom income quintile everywhere due to low incomes relative to housing costs. Local control, democracy, and NIMBYism (Priority: 5/5): The conversation examines how neighborhood meetings, zoning, and environmental review often empower older, wealthier homeowners rather than representative publics, producing anti-build outcomes. Housing supply, opportunity, and inequality (Priority: 5/5): Restricting supply in productive metros limits access to jobs, schools, transit, and innovation, while worsening national GDP and trapping lower-income workers away from opportunity. Gentrification and uneven development (Priority: 4/5): New construction often gets pushed into middle- and lower-income neighborhoods, intensifying displacement concerns and concentrating change where political resistance is weakest. Policy distortions and homeownership incentives (Priority: 4/5): Federal tax policy and cultural norms encourage treating homes as wealth vehicles, making homeowners politically hostile to upzoning or anything that could threaten property values. International models and public housing (Priority: 3/5): Germany, France, and Singapore illustrate alternative housing systems with more rental support and public/social housing, but Schuetz is skeptical the U.S. can easily replicate them given its politics and administrative failures. Need for experimentation and faster reform (Priority: 4/5): Both speakers emphasize that current rules over-penalize change while preserving the status quo, and that housing policy needs more experimentation—especially for homelessness and adaptive reuse.

Key Arguments: Housing is not one crisis but two: a supply problem in high-demand metros and an affordability problem for the poorest households nationwide. Blue states and cities often have more homelessness because they combine high demand with restrictive building rules and powerful local opposition. Local “voice” mechanisms often look democratic but are skewed toward homeowners, retirees, and affluent residents who can attend meetings and hire lawyers. Restrictive zoning and environmental review disproportionately block housing in rich neighborhoods, pushing development into already stressed areas and worsening segregation. Building more housing in high-opportunity areas improves access to jobs, schools, transit, and public services, and can raise national productivity. Zoning and building codes now outlaw many housing forms that were once normal—duplexes, apartments, boarding houses, and mixed-use neighborhoods. Housing vouchers work well when there is available supply, but they cannot solve shortages in places like California without more construction. Public housing can work in other countries, but the U.S. historically built it in the wrong places, underfunded maintenance, and concentrated poverty. Homeownership has been over-promoted as the main path to wealth, and the tax code reinforces homeowner political resistance to change. Housing policy should allow more experimentation, including temporary adaptive reuse of vacant buildings for people experiencing homelessness.

Data Points: Highest homelessness states: 5 of the highest-rate states are New York, Hawaii, California, Oregon, and Washington - Used to illustrate that homelessness is concentrated in blue, high-demand coastal states. Housing-cost burden benchmark: 30% of income - HUD’s standard threshold for being cost burdened by housing. Severe housing-cost burden benchmark: 50% of income - HUD’s threshold for severe cost burden. Poor households’ housing burden: Bottom 20% spend over half their income on housing - Shows chronic unaffordability for the poorest households nationwide. Federal housing assistance reach: About 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 poor households - Only a minority of eligible poor households receive federal housing aid. Estimated GDP loss: About 36% less than it should be over recent decades - Claim cited for the national cost of underbuilding in productive metros. Land where only single-family detached housing is legal: Roughly 75% of land in most cities - Illustrates how restrictive zoning limits housing diversity. German renter share: More than half of households rent - Presented as a contrast to U.S. homeownership-centered policy. France public housing share: 40% of renters live in public housing - Example of a strong social-housing model. Singapore public housing share: Nearly 80% - Example of extensive state-led housing provision. California housing underbuild period: About 40 years - Used to explain why reforms will take a long time to restore affordability. D.C. new development concentration: About 80% of 2010s new development in a handful of neighborhoods - Shows spatial concentration of change where building is politically easiest. Homeownership rates by race: 70% of white households vs 40% of Black households own homes - Used to show how home equity policy can widen racial wealth gaps.

Pivotal Quotes: "the government that is closest to the people is the government that governs best" — Ezra Klein: Frame for questioning whether local veto power in housing is actually democratic or effective. "blue places have chosen to make their housing supply inelastic" — Jenny Schuetz: Explains why high-demand blue states and cities fail to build enough homes. "We have stacked the system entirely in favor of the status quo" — Jenny Schuetz: Summarizes her view that legal and political rules overwhelmingly protect existing homeowners and block change.

Implications: Listeners should expect housing politics to stay central to inequality, climate, and democracy debates. Real progress likely requires both supply expansion and deeper reforms to zoning, local vetoes, and housing subsidies.

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