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How Blue Cities Became So Outrageously Unaffordable

Joe Biden’s economic agenda is centered on a basic premise: The United States needs to build. To build roads and bridges. To build child care facilities and car-charging stations. To build public transit and affordable housing. And in doing so, to build a better future for everyone. But there’s a tw

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New York Times Opinion HostJerusalem Demsas GuestEzra Klein Guest

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Executive Summary: Ezra Klein and Jerusalem Demsas argue that America’s housing, transit, and infrastructure crises are fundamentally governance problems: building is too slow, too expensive, and too vulnerable to organized local resistance, especially in blue cities and states. They trace this to environmental review laws, NIMBY politics, and the shift from representative to hyper-participatory local processes that empower homeowners over broader public interests.

Main Topics: Why America builds so slowly and expensively (Priority: 5/5): The conversation opens with the claim that U.S. infrastructure costs far more and takes longer than in peer countries, due to legal delay, fragmented authority, and political deference to disruption-averse local interests. Environmental review laws and procedural veto points (Priority: 5/5): NEPA and California’s CEQA are described as laws that were created to protect communities and the environment but now often function as tools for delay, litigation, and obstruction of transit, housing, and even clean-energy projects. The left’s internal conflict over government power (Priority: 5/5): The discussion frames a tension within liberalism: New Deal-style faith in big public action versus New Left-era skepticism of government, which produced rules that restrain state capacity and enable organized opposition. Housing scarcity, filtering, and gentrification (Priority: 5/5): The guests argue the housing crisis is primarily a supply problem in high-opportunity metros, not just an income problem. They explain why new construction matters, how filtering works, and why blocking supply can worsen displacement. Homelessness as a housing-supply issue (Priority: 4/5): Demsas links modern homelessness to housing shortages, arguing that mental illness and addiction are real but not sufficient explanations for the rise in chronic street homelessness in expensive cities. State and federal intervention vs. local control (Priority: 4/5): The exchange considers whether local governments should be overridden by states or conditioned by federal funding, since local political incentives often block projects with broad public benefits. The politics of homeowners and ‘community character’ (Priority: 4/5): The conversation explores how homeowners—often liberal, affluent, and politically organized—use meetings, lawsuits, and environmental rules to preserve neighborhood stability and property values, even when they publicly support housing or equity.

Key Arguments: U.S. infrastructure is unusually expensive even compared with other rich countries, and the cost problem itself discourages ambitious projects. American planning law gives disproportionate power to people harmed by construction while the beneficiaries of projects are diffuse and often absent from the process. Transit and housing projects are forced into less useful, less disruptive locations because agencies try to avoid conflict, producing worse public outcomes before cost even enters the picture. The modern regulatory state, especially after the 1960s and 1970s, was built partly to stop abuses like highways through minority neighborhoods, but those protections are now often weaponized by affluent homeowners. Public participation does not reliably correct these problems because the people who attend local meetings are older, wealthier, and more likely to own homes than the broader population. Housing shortages in superstar cities are a major driver of affordability and homelessness crises; demand-side aid helps, but without more supply it cannot solve the problem. Filtering remains the main way housing becomes affordable over time, so blocking new construction reduces future affordability as well as current affordability. Homelessness is deeply connected to housing scarcity: when supply collapses and prices rise, more people are pushed into unstable living situations. Blue states and cities are not the only places with zoning issues, but their concentrated demand and political coalitions make the consequences especially severe. Solving these problems likely requires state and federal pressure on local governments, because cities and counties only have the powers states allow them to have.

Data Points: U.S. rank in rapid rail transit construction cost: 6th most expensive - Demsas says the U.S. is the sixth most expensive place to build rapid rail transit. Transit cost premium: 50% higher per mile - Even excluding New York City, U.S. transit projects cost about 50% more per mile than peer nations. Share of U.S. transit projects tunneled: 37% - Used to show the U.S. builds less ambitious projects than countries with far more tunneling. Share of projects tunneled in countries ahead of the U.S.: More than 80% - Peer countries with lower costs are doing far more tunneling. New York Second Avenue Subway cost: $2.6 billion per mile - Example of exceptionally expensive U.S. transit construction. San Francisco Central Subway cost: $920 million per mile - Used as another high-cost U.S. benchmark. LA Purple Line cost: $800 million per mile - Another example of very expensive domestic transit construction. Copenhagen project cost: $323 million per mile - Used as a lower-cost European comparison. Paris/Madrid project cost range: $160 million to $320 million per mile - Dense older European cities building far more cheaply than U.S. cities. Highway cost increase: More than 3x - Lili Brooks and Zach Lisco found states spent more than three times as much per mile of highway in the 1980s as in the early 1960s. Average EIS length today: About 600 pages - Brink Lindsey and Sam Hammond’s research on NEPA environmental impact statements. EIS appendix length: About 1,000 pages - Shows how paperwork has expanded dramatically. Average EIS completion time: About 4.5 years - Procedural reviews now take years before projects can proceed. Projects delayed by process: Up to 17 years - Some infrastructure projects are held up for nearly two decades. Homes affordability benchmark: Median home price in California exceeds $700,000 - Introduced to illustrate California’s severe housing affordability crisis. Homelessness share: A quarter of the nation’s homeless residents - California’s disproportionate share of U.S. homelessness. Housing affordability metric: Highest poverty rate in the nation when housing costs are included - California’s poverty picture worsens substantially after housing costs. Attendance age at local meetings: 75% over age 50 - Catherine Einstein’s research on pre-COVID in-person public meetings. Age share in surrounding population: 52% over age 50 - Shows participants skew older than the general population. Homeownership among attendees: 73.4% homeowners - Compared to 45.6% in the surrounding population. Homeownership in surrounding population: 45.6% homeowners - Baseline for comparison with meeting attendees. Proposition HHH approval in Los Angeles: 77% of voters - Affordable housing measure passed overwhelmingly, but implementation lagged. Typical American worker gain from removing housing constraints: $3,600 - Cited from Enrico Moretti and Chang-Tai Hsieh on aggregate U.S. growth losses. Florida homeless population: About 27,500 - Compared with New York to illustrate state-level homelessness differences. New York homeless population: About 91,000 - Used in the blue-state governance discussion. Federal zoning incentive proposal: $5 billion - Biden administration proposal to incentivize zoning reform.

Pivotal Quotes: "The problems of the 21st century are collective action problems, from housing insecurity to immigration to healthcare to climate change." — Jerusalem Demsas: Summarizing why local control often fails to solve large-scale public problems. "You are never going to be able to win at that level. It still is hard the further you go up. I think that's definitely the case, and it's definitely true, but it is easier than it is at the very local level where you will just be voted out immediately." — Jerusalem Demsas: On why state and federal intervention may be more feasible than city-level reform. "How much are you willing to sacrifice, really, as an individual, so that you yourself don't have to see the kinds of people that don't currently live in your neighborhood." — Ezra Klein: Concluding challenge to homeowners and neighborhood defenders resisting new housing.

Implications: The episode argues that fixing housing, transit, and climate goals will require less deference to local veto points and more state/federal capacity. For listeners, it reframes affordability as a political design problem, not just a market failure.

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