Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

Broke & Overweight (EP.93)

On this week's show we discuss why are fewer people subscribing to Netflix, will we ever really reach peak podcast, how many people own their home outright, what is the chance your home will go down in value over 5 years, Elizabeth Warren's plan to rein in Wall Street, Mira Sorvino's

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Executive Summary: The episode blends market commentary with media and lifestyle tangents, centering on Netflix’s slowing subscriber growth and negative free cash flow, while debating whether investors overreact to quarterly misses. The hosts also discuss podcast saturation, the future of subscriptions in audio, content recommendations, housing and homeownership stats, private equity, and Ray Dalio’s call to buy gold amid shifting economic paradigms.

Main Topics: Netflix earnings, growth slowdown, and free cash flow concerns (Priority: 5/5): The hosts debate whether Netflix’s post-earnings selloff is overblown or a genuine sign of maturity, citing slower-than-expected subscriber growth and worsening free cash flow despite strong stock performance. Podcast industry saturation and subscription skepticism (Priority: 4/5): They discuss a New York Times piece on ‘peak podcast,’ noting the huge number of podcasts and low activity rates, and argue that podcasting may not support a Netflix-like subscription model because listeners rarely re-consume episodes. Media recommendations and the value of content (Priority: 3/5): The conversation turns to Netflix shows, movies, and TV recommendations, including Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, Stranger Things, Big Little Lies, The OA, Top Gun, Crawl, and Inglourious Basterds, illustrating how content drives attention and habits. Housing, homeownership, and starter-home risk (Priority: 4/5): They discuss survey data on mortgage-free households and a study on home-price volatility, arguing that buying too early or too small can create frictional costs and losses if a move happens within a short time frame. Private equity skepticism and amateur investor behavior (Priority: 4/5): The hosts react to Elizabeth Warren’s proposals on private equity and a NYT article on doctors/lawyers investing in PE, arguing that such behavior is common when sophisticated-but-bored investors chase higher returns. Ray Dalio’s paradigm shift thesis and gold as a hedge (Priority: 4/5): They summarize Dalio’s long-form piece on historical market shifts, debt, and central bank policy, noting that the practical takeaway appears to be a bullish case for gold when money is being depreciated and geopolitics are unstable. Leveraged ETFs and backtest caution (Priority: 5/5): A Bogleheads-style strategy using triple-levered stocks and bonds is examined, with a warning that attractive backtests can hide severe drawdowns when both asset classes fall together, especially in the 1970s.

Key Arguments: Markets overreact to individual earnings reports; Netflix’s stock may look weak now but could be seen as a temporary miss in hindsight. Netflix’s subscriber miss mattered because the gap versus analyst expectations was large, not because the company suddenly failed. Podcasting has plenty of content, but the medium may never support widespread paid subscriptions because people do not re-listen to episodes the way they re-watch video. The host believes Netflix’s weaker performance may reflect larger competition and the law of large numbers, especially with Disney+ launching. Homeownership is often treated too simplistically; a house can be a volatile asset once transaction costs and short holding periods are considered. Private equity is not inherently malicious; for some struggling businesses, added leverage may be the only way to survive. Bored, affluent professional investors often chase private deals because public markets feel too easy or too dull. Backtests of leveraged portfolios can be misleading because they ignore regime changes; what worked since the 1980s could have failed badly in earlier decades. Gold may make sense as a hedge in periods of monetary debasement and geopolitical stress, though the argument was presented more as a conclusion than a full valuation case.

Data Points: Netflix free cash flow (TTM): negative $3 billion - Used to show that Netflix’s cash generation has deteriorated while the stock price rose sharply. Netflix free cash flow in 2015: under $1 billion negative/under a billion dollars - Referenced as the earlier stage of the company’s increasingly negative FCF trend. Netflix three-year performance (annualized): about 54% - Initially mistaken for a broken metric before being clarified as annualized performance. Netflix price appreciation over the same period: about 270% - Shown as the stronger cumulative performance figure over three years. Netflix expected subscriber additions: 5 million - Analysts’ forecast for quarterly net additions. Netflix actual subscriber additions: 2.7 million - The company’s actual quarterly result, seen as a major miss. Netflix subscriber count: 150 million - Used to argue that growth must naturally slow as the subscriber base becomes larger. Number of podcasts: upwards of 700,000 - Cited in a New York Times article discussing podcast saturation. New podcasts launched each month: 2,000 to 3,000 - Illustrates the scale of new content creation in the medium. Existing podcasts that published a new episode between March and May: 19.3% - Shows that most podcasts are dormant or inactive. U.S. households free and clear: 37% - Zillow-based statistic on households without a mortgage. West Virginia households free and clear: 54% - Highest state share mentioned in the housing discussion. California households free and clear: 29% - Used to highlight regional variation and skepticism about the survey result. Chance a home is worth less in five years: about 30% - Unison study estimate on home-price volatility over a five-year horizon. Home long-term volatility: about 9% - Unison study estimate for homes from 2000 onward. Equity long-term volatility: about 17% - Unison study estimate used for comparison. Treasury long-term volatility: about 3% - Unison study estimate used for comparison. Home volatility during crisis: up to 40% - Unison study note that home price volatility spiked above stock volatility during the financial crisis. Average 10-year Treasury yield in the 1990s: about 6.7% - Used to argue that low rates alone do not explain risk-taking behavior. Dining out as top budget buster: nearly 1 in 3 Americans - Principal survey result on household budgeting pain points. Spotify fun-account result: $1,038 from $1,000 - A small personal investment performance anecdote. Leveraged portfolio backtest period: 1987 to 2018 - Original Bogleheads-style analysis of levered stocks and bonds. Leveraged portfolio annual return: about 17% - Reported return from the backtest strategy using leveraged ETFs. Vanguard 500 comparison return: about 10% - Benchmark return used in the leveraged strategy discussion. Alternative backtest period: 1962 to 1980 - Stress period showing poor performance for the leveraged 60/40-like strategy. Leveraged portfolio drawdown in 1970s regime: down about 70% - Demonstrates how the strategy can fail when stocks and bonds both struggle. Leveraged portfolio drawdown in early 1990: down about 30% - Example of volatility exceeding the unlevered S&P 500 drawdown. S&P 500 drawdown in early 1990: down about 15% - Used as a comparison to the leveraged portfolio.

Pivotal Quotes: "There comes an earnings report and everyone goes, okay, that’s it. New story. It’s totally over." — Michael Batnick: Commenting on how investors often declare major tech stories dead after one disappointing quarter. "I think that the subscription model for podcasts is probably not going to take off anytime soon." — Michael Batnick: Arguing that podcast consumption differs from streaming video because people do not regularly re-listen to episodes. "The stock price has exploded in that time. So who cares, right?" — Michael Batnick: Discussing the disconnect between Netflix’s weak free cash flow and soaring share price.

Implications: Investors should distinguish real business deterioration from short-term narrative shifts, and avoid over-trusting backtests, surveys, or flashy industry trends. The episode suggests caution on Netflix, skepticism on podcast monetization, and a potential role for gold and disciplined position sizing in uncertain regimes.

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Animal Spirits is a show about markets, life, and investing. Join Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson as they talk about what they're reading, writing, listening to and watching. Look for new episodes every Wednesday morning. See our disclosures here - https://ritholtzwealth.com/podcast-youtube-disclosures/

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