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Buying or Leasing: Weighing the Costs of Real Estate Choices (EP.21)

Welcome back to The Rational Reminder Podcast. Today's episode is focused on the question of investing in real estate. It is still a common conundrum for investors and even those who may not consider themselves active investors, whether to buy or to rent a property. As you may imagine it is not

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Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti Host

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode focused on disciplined investing amid market weakness, arguing that short-term returns are highly path-dependent and should not drive strategy changes. The hosts also reframed renting vs. buying by emphasizing the full unrecoverable cost of homeownership, including opportunity cost of equity, taxes, maintenance, and interest. They closed with practical behavioral advice: ignore forecasts, rebalance, minimize checking, and keep a decision diary.

Main Topics: Market pullback and investor behavior (Priority: 5/5): The hosts reviewed year-to-date and monthly market declines, stressing that modest drawdowns are normal and should not trigger panic when a long-term strategy and rebalancing plan are in place. Why trailing returns are misleading (Priority: 5/5): They showed how a one-month shift can dramatically change 5-, 10-, and 20-year returns, arguing that evaluating performance at a specific date is often meaningless because endpoint bias dominates. Statistical reliability of factor and passive strategies (Priority: 5/5): The discussion emphasized that long-term evidence for stocks, size, value, and profitability premiums remains statistically meaningful despite bad decade-long stretches, so abandoning a strategy after weak periods is irrational. Renting vs. buying through total unrecoverable cost (Priority: 5/5): They argued that comparing rent to mortgage payments is incorrect; the proper comparison is rent versus all unrecoverable ownership costs, including property tax, maintenance, mortgage interest, and opportunity cost of home equity. Investors Group fee unbundling and advisor compensation (Priority: 3/5): The hosts discussed Investors Group’s move toward unbundled fees, viewing it as a positive step away from commission-based product incentives, though they questioned how much client costs will actually fall. Behavioral best practices for investors (Priority: 4/5): They highlighted advice from Larry Swedroe: stay the course, understand return dispersion, ignore forecasts, don’t take unnecessary risk, minimize portfolio checking, and keep a diary of investment decisions.

Key Arguments: Short-term market declines are normal and far smaller than crisis-period drawdowns; investors should rely on rebalancing and a pre-set plan rather than emotions. Trailing return figures are highly sensitive to the chosen start and end dates, so a single bad month can materially distort 5-, 10-, and 20-year performance numbers. A strategy can be statistically reliable even if it underperforms for a decade; evidence and theory, not recent performance, should guide decisions. Abandoning small-cap/value/factor investing after a weak stretch means switching from a statistically supported method to a less reliable one without a better basis. Rent vs. buy should be evaluated using total unrecoverable costs, not mortgage payments alone, because principal repayment is not a true cost. Homeownership includes hidden costs like maintenance, taxes, and especially opportunity cost of capital tied up in the down payment/equity. Opportunity cost of home equity depends on the investor’s tax situation and asset allocation; it is often highest early in life and when registered accounts are not maxed out. Forecasts are not dependable tools for long-term investment decisions because markets incorporate information quickly. Reducing unnecessary risk is often better than chasing higher returns, especially near retirement. Keeping a record of investment decisions and reasons helps prevent hindsight bias and improves accountability over time.

Data Points: Podcast downloads per episode: around 400 - The hosts noted growing listenership and asked for more ratings and feedback. Canadian iTunes ratings: 35 - They highlighted that the show had only 35 ratings on Canadian iTunes despite higher downloads. Investors Group fee change starting point: over $1 million - Unbundled fees were being rolled out first to clients with more than $1 million invested. Investors Group next rollout threshold: $500,000 - The new fee structure was expected to expand to clients at this level in the first quarter of the next year. Expected fee reduction: 3 basis points (0.03%) - The hosts said the initial fee drop looked small even though commission removal was a meaningful structural change. Canada market performance: flat for the month; about flat for the year - As of November 19, Canadian markets had been relatively unchanged. U.S. market performance in USD: down about 100 basis points for the month; down another 130 basis points in November - They described weak November performance for U.S. equities. S&P 500 for Canadian investors: up about 5% - Currency effects made unhedged U.S. equity exposure positive in CAD terms despite U.S.-dollar losses. International equities in CAD: down almost 8% for the year - International markets were described as especially weak in Canadian dollar terms. DFA 60/40 portfolio: down 2% for the year - Used as a benchmark to show that current drawdowns were modest relative to crisis periods. Worst 12 months in the financial crisis for 60/40: down 25% - They compared current conditions with 2008 to show the scale of past drawdowns. Global equity portfolio 5-year return ending Sep 2018: 9.68% per year - Used to illustrate how strong trailing returns can look before a bad month falls into the window. Global equity portfolio 10-year return ending Sep 2018: 8.87% per year - Part of the endpoint-bias example. Global equity portfolio 20-year return ending Sep 2018: about 8.85% per year - Another trailing return in the endpoint-bias example. October 2018 monthly return: -6.85% - A single negative month that materially changed trailing return calculations. Global equity 5-year return after shifting to Oct 2018: 7.18% per year - Showed how the 5-year return dropped sharply after one month moved into the window. Global equity 10-year return after shifting to Oct 2018: 9.98% per year - Demonstrated that the 10-year return actually increased after the date shift. Global equity 20-year return after shifting to Oct 2018: 7.68% per year - The longer window also changed materially with the endpoint shift. Example investor's 5-year return on Jan 1: 12.4% per year - A real client example used to show how quickly trailing returns can deteriorate. Example investor's 5-year return by end of Oct: 8.44% per year - The same portfolio’s trailing return dropped by nearly 4 percentage points in 10 months. Illustrative homeowner maintenance/property tax cost: about 2% of home value annually - They used 1% property tax and 1% maintenance as a rough estimate. Example home value: $500,000 - Used to quantify unrecoverable ownership costs and opportunity cost. Example annual unrecoverable ownership cost excluding opportunity cost: about $10,000 - 2% of a $500,000 home for taxes and maintenance. Illustrative stock return assumption: 7% nominal - Used to estimate opportunity cost of home equity versus investing. Illustrative real estate appreciation assumption: 3% nominal - Used alongside stocks to estimate a 4% opportunity cost gap. Estimated opportunity cost gap: 4% - Difference between 7% stock returns and 3% real estate appreciation. Example opportunity cost on $500,000 equity: $20,000 annually - Calculated as 4% of $500,000 if capital were invested elsewhere. Canadian small-cap rolling 10-year underperformance frequency: 25% of periods - They said small caps underperformed in 4 out of 16 rolling 10-year periods starting in 1990. Statistical frequency of small-cap outperformance: 75% of periods - Used to reinforce that underperformance is not the dominant outcome. Fama/French-style simulation count: 100,000 simulations - Referenced to explain return-risk distribution over long horizons. Probability of stocks underperforming T-bills over 30 years: around 4% - Cited as an example that even long horizons do not guarantee expected outcomes.

Pivotal Quotes: "once you have ordinary intelligence, what you need is a temperament to control the urges that get other people into trouble investing." — Warren Buffett (quoted by Larry Swedroe): Used to frame the behavioral challenge of staying invested during market volatility. "you don't compare rent to the cost of a mortgage. That's not, that is not how you compare it because the mortgage is not a cost" — Host: Central claim in the renting-versus-buying discussion. "What else are you going to do?" — Host: A challenge to investors who would abandon statistically supported strategies after a bad decade.

Implications: Listeners should judge investments by evidence and process, not recent performance or forecasts. For housing, they should compare rent to total ownership costs, especially opportunity cost. The episode reinforces disciplined rebalancing, diversification, and behavior management.

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A weekly reality check on sensible investing and financial decision-making, from three Canadians. Hosted by Benjamin Felix, Cameron Passmore, and Dan Bortolotti, Portfolio Managers at PWL Capital.

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