Animal Spirits Podcast
Animal Spirits Podcast

Hedge Fund Myths & Casual Investing Advice (EP.11)

On today's show, we discuss what to do if you've been sitting in cash during the bull market, go through Ben's latest portfolio changes, do some myth-busting about hedge funds and more. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common Sense Michael Batnick’s Th

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on behavioral investing: how to advise sidelined investors, why rules-based approaches like dollar-cost averaging and trend following can reduce regret, and why no “silver bullet” exists. The hosts also revisit the overlooked 1973-74 bear market, debate low volatility, hedge fund relevance, bond funds vs. individual bonds, and equity fund outflows amid demographic concerns and market psychology.

Main Topics: Investing after being on the sidelines (Priority: 5/5): The hosts answer a reader question about whether cash-heavy investors should wait for a crash or get invested. They stress regret minimization, the need for a plan, and the limitations of casual investing advice. Trend following and rules-based allocation (Priority: 5/5): They discuss trend following as a behavioral and tactical tool that can serve as an emotional release valve, help diversify strategies, and keep investors invested through market drawdowns. The forgotten 1973-74 bear market (Priority: 5/5): The episode highlights the prolonged, inflation-driven bear market of the 1970s as a psychologically brutal period that is often overlooked compared with more famous crashes. Low volatility and market complacency (Priority: 4/5): They examine commentary about unusually low volatility in markets and the economy, concluding that volatility likely cycles rather than disappearing permanently. Hedge fund industry skepticism (Priority: 4/5): The hosts push back on claims that hedge funds are dying, arguing that institutional allocations remain sticky, benchmarks are flawed, and performance dispersion across strategies matters. Bond funds vs. individual bonds (Priority: 4/5): They address misconceptions that holding individual bonds is inherently safer than bond funds, emphasizing that both structures carry similar economic exposure unless used for liability matching. Equity fund outflows and demographics (Priority: 3/5): They discuss record equity fund outflows, question whether baby boomers will structurally pressure markets, and suggest flows may reflect retirement behavior and investor scar tissue.

Key Arguments: When investors ask whether to wait or buy, there is no universally correct answer; the right approach depends on time horizon, cash needs, and psychological tolerance for regret. A rules-based investing plan is better than relying on emotion or market timing because investors inevitably regret either buying before a crash or waiting through a rising market. Trend following works because rising prices attract buyers and falling prices attract sellers; its main value may be behavioral rather than maximizing raw returns. Long-term buy-and-hold can outperform, but many investors fail to capture those returns because they cannot endure large drawdowns. The 1973-74 bear market was especially painful because it combined repeated rallies with grinding losses and inflation, making losses feel relentless rather than abrupt. Claims that hedge funds are dead are overstated because institutional investors move slowly, hedge fund assets remain large, and comparisons to the S&P 500 are often apples-to-oranges. Individual bonds are mainly useful for known liabilities; for most investors, bond funds are economically similar and often simpler and cheaper. Baby boomers are unlikely to singlehandedly crash the stock market because wealth is concentrated and retirement withdrawals tend to be gradual, not sudden. Recent equity fund outflows may reflect persistent skepticism rather than euphoric bullish behavior, and millennial inflows may take time to offset aging investor withdrawals.

Data Points: Stocks up in a typical year: 3 out of every 4 years - Used to explain why all-in investing often looks optimal historically, though behavior matters too. Potential meltup probability: 30% to 40% - One host’s rough personal estimate of a possible strong stock market meltup. Possible huge meltup probability: 33% - A later rough estimate that a large meltup could occur in the next five years. 1973 Dow decline: 44% - Jason Zweig cited the Dow losing 44% since the beginning of 1973 during the 1973-74 bear market. 1973 bear market bounces: 11 separate bounces of at least 5% - Illustrates how painful and deceptive the downtrend was for investors. 10-year annual stock return ending 1974: 1.2% annually - Referenced to show how poor nominal returns were during the 1970s bear market period. CAPE ratio at 1974 bottom: 8.3 - The valuation trough at the bottom of the 1973-74 bear market. Average endowment allocation to hedge funds: 18% to 19% - A chart cited to show hedge fund allocations have been steady despite negative headlines. Hedge fund industry assets: More than $3 trillion - Used to rebut claims that hedge funds are disappearing. S&P 500 total return for the year discussed: 22% - Used to illustrate how 2-and-20 fees can severely reduce investor net returns. Net return after 2-and-20 on a 22% gross return: 16% - Example showing the effect of hedge fund fees on performance. Gross return needed to net 22% after 2-and-20: 31% - Demonstrates the hurdle hedge funds must clear to match a market return net of fees. Largest outflow from equity funds on record: Largest on record; prior close comparison was August 2011 - A SentimentTrader data point cited to show significant equity fund withdrawals. Domestic equity ETF and mutual fund outflows: 8 months in a row - Used to question whether investor flows are truly euphoric or indiscriminate.

Pivotal Quotes: "investing is inherently a form of regret minimization." — Ben Carlson: Explaining how to advise someone who has been sitting in cash and is unsure whether to invest all at once or gradually. "the worst 10-year performance for any backtest is the next 10 years." — Michael Batnik: A caution that attractive backtests can disappoint going forward and that the future may not resemble the historical sample. "The broker took a sip of cold coffee and grunted. You know the trouble with this market, he said. The persistent grinding away of prices. Every time you think it's going to improve, you raise your head and then get it handed back to you on a platter." — New York Times quote cited by the hosts: Used to capture the psychological brutality of the 1973-74 bear market.

Implications: Investors should expect uncertainty, not certainty: use rules, manage regret, and match strategy to temperament and time horizon. Headlines about hedge funds, bonds, or booms often simplify complex behavior; long-term success depends more on discipline than prediction.

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