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Employment Agreement deep dive: IP assignment, offer letters, side hustles & more with Becki DeGraw | Wilson Sonsini Startup Legal Basics

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode is a practical legal primer for startups, focused on employment agreements, IP assignment, at-will employment, state-specific non-competes, side projects, non-solicitation, and how to handle departures and disputes. Becky DeGras emphasizes that founders should get core documents signed on day one, tailor agreements to the employee’s location, avoid using company devices for side hustles, and over-disclose legal risks to investors.

Main Topics: Foundational startup legal documents: The hosts stress that oral or handshake agreements are unreliable for founders and employees. Proper written agreements reduce ambiguity about equity, roles, vesting, and ownership, especially when disputes arise. Employment agreements and IP assignment: At-will employment agreements should include confidentiality and intellectual property assignment provisions. Without them, employees may own the IP they create, including business ideas and code, not the company. State-specific rules on at-will work and non-competes: At-will rules vary by state, and California is highlighted as highly restrictive of non-competes. Including a non-compete in a California agreement can jeopardize the entire document, while other states may allow narrowly tailored restrictions. Side hustles, remote work, and ownership risk: If an employee develops a side project using employer time, equipment, or devices, the employer may claim ownership. The safest approach is to keep side projects fully separated from company tools, time, and information. Non-solicitation and employee departures: The discussion covers limits on recruiting coworkers and how solicitation can trigger demand letters or litigation. The best practice is to review the employee’s current agreement and, when possible, exit or launch a new company transparently and professionally. IP theft, confidentiality, and reputational consequences: The speakers emphasize that taking company databases, documents, or trade secrets can lead to civil and criminal exposure and severe reputation damage, even if the theft seems minor to the employee. Investor diligence and disclosure: Startups should disclose any threatened or pending employment/IP disputes early and fully. Investors dislike surprises, and undisclosed conflicts can damage fundraising and board relationships.

Key Arguments: Basic legal paperwork is essential because informal agreements become disputes over memory and interpretation. Every employee should sign an at-will employment agreement on day one so the company owns work product and IP created for the business. IP assignment covers not just patents and trademarks but also ideas, business plans, code, and other creative work. California generally rejects non-competes; including one can undermine otherwise valid confidentiality and IP terms. The state where the employee is located, not the company’s headquarters, governs which employment agreement terms are appropriate. Side projects are risky if they touch employer devices, hours, or systems; separation must be total to reduce ownership claims. Non-solicitation and recruiting former coworkers can be lawful or risky depending on state law and the facts, so founders should review their existing agreements first. If there is any threatened dispute or cease-and-desist risk, founders should disclose it to investors rather than hope it disappears. Transparency and empathy can prevent emotional escalation that often triggers lawsuits and demand letters.

Data Points: Employment agreement timing: Day one - DeGras says every employee should sign confidentiality and IP assignment agreements on the first day of work. Non-solicitation duration: 1 year - The discussion notes that California law used to treat non-solicitation restrictions as generally lasting one year after employment ends. Layoff severance example: 1 year severance - Jason references France as an example where layoffs over a certain threshold may require a year of severance. Early-stage founder effort: Hundreds to thousands of hours - Jason argues that if a startup is worth building, it is worth getting the legal basics right before investing massive time. Separation agreement consideration: Some consideration required - DeGras explains that separation agreements need additional consideration, such as extra vesting or cash, to be enforceable. Employer notice threshold: 100 employees - Jason’s example contrasts a generic hiring tweet with a mass email sent to 100 employees at a former employer.

Pivotal Quotes: "If you don't sign that agreement with your employees on the very first day that they start and they create some IP for you, the default is they own that IP, not the company." — Becky DeGras: Explaining why at-will employment agreements with IP assignment must be signed immediately. "California has taken the position that we don't like non-compete in that setting at all." — Becky DeGras: Describing why non-competes can invalidate confidentiality and IP provisions in California agreements. "If for nothing else, you don't want to get sued by your current employer when you walk away." — Jason: Warning founders and employees that leaving on bad terms can poison a new business before it starts.

Implications: Startups should standardize employment and IP paperwork, localize agreements by state, and keep side projects strictly separate from company resources. Early transparency with employers and investors can prevent costly disputes and fundraising problems.

From the Episode

In front of a potential candidate, it's going to lay out the basic terms to make sure that you're all on the same page regarding your salary and bonus and your equity award. But at the end of the day, that's really just kind of like a term sheet almost to get you to the next step. So, the document that you really want to care about is if you're hiring an employee is an at-will employment agreement. That document is going to have your confidentiality provisions and, most importantly, your IP assignment provisions in it. If you don't sign that agreement with your employee, Employees on the very first day that they start and they create some IP for you, the default is they own that IP, not the company. So you want to make sure that those agreements are put in place for every single person, every single employee on day one. When you go through a financing, investors are going to ask you to rep that you have all of those agreements. So make sure that you keep them in, you know, actually a safe place that you can refer back to them. So if somebody says, well, no, I didn't sign that, you can pull it out and say, well, yes, actually, you did. Yes.

Becky DeGras · at 3:33

To hear about what conversation you had on the eve of Thanksgiving. I want you to show me what was actually signed between the two parties because that's what's going to carry the most weight. And people will absolutely bring frivolous lawsuits. It's going to happen and it happens all the time. But if they do bring some sort of frivolous claim, and it's not an actual lawsuit, it's always some demand letter is how it starts. You pull out that document from your side and say, look, this was signed on the day we started. The company before we even started talking about anything, you agreed that you were going to sign everything into the company. That's highly likely going to make it go away. Yes. And I have been through this many times in my now over 20-year career as I'm getting old. And even when we terminate an employee or they leave on their own, whether it's a voluntary or an involuntary termination, they decide to leave, we decide to leave. We tell them, here is your exit agreement, and a reminder: here is the

Becky DeGras · at 6:45

Jason, I am a huge fan of yours. I have rescinded the offer to the person who stole all this stuff. I'm aghast. Thank you for telling me. I don't want them stealing from me. I don't want them stealing from you. And I really want to have a good relationship with you. I was like, you have a great relationship with me right now. And then I told the other person who had worked for me previously: this is a life lesson for you. And, you know, be thankful I don't tweet that you stole from me because it'd be the end of your career. And I was very emotional about it. I'm very emotional about it right now. I hate being stolen from. If you steal from somebody, and it, like you're saying, the reputation damage is so great. And all you have. To do if you were going to steal all this stuff, it's just whatever's in your mind. If you a month later decided you wanted to start from scratch on an empty sheet of paper, you can do that. And then I have no recourse. But if you did it on my computer, on my time while I was paying you, oh, that makes me feel terrible. And you stole all those documents. I have a right to be upset, don't I, Becky? Absolutely. I mean, at the end of the day, it's not just you, but everybody that's invested in that company, right?

Jason Calacanis · at 25:09
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