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Ep. 447 - The Feds Target Weed

Jeff Sessions changes federal pot policy – but is he right or wrong? Plus, more Bannon fallout and the mailbag! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Executive Summary: The episode centers on Trump-era political conflict: Ben Shapiro critiques the Michael Wolff book as unreliable but argues Trump made a strategic mistake by overreacting and amplifying it. He then defends Sessions’ rollback of Obama’s marijuana guidance as legally proper while opposing marijuana prohibition on policy grounds. The show closes with discussion of new FBI scrutiny of Hillary Clinton, broader DOJ/FBI politicization, and a long listener mailbag on foreign policy, immigration, welfare, gender politics, and conservative values.

Main Topics: Steve Bannon, Michael Wolff, and the 'Sloppy Steve' fallout (Priority: 5/5): Shapiro argues Wolff's Fire and Fury is gossip-driven and poorly sourced, but says the real scandal is Bannon’s role as a leaker and Trump’s justified but often self-defeating counterattack. He notes the Mercer family and Breitbart distancing from Bannon, while criticizing Trump’s legal threats as a Streisand-effect mistake. Trump's response to the book and media strategy (Priority: 5/5): The host praises Trump’s nickname branding and political punch-back at Bannon, but says threatening defamation suits against the publisher was legally weak and strategically foolish because it elevated the book and its sales. Marijuana policy and federalism (Priority: 5/5): Shapiro explains Jeff Sessions’ rescission of Obama-era non-enforcement guidance as consistent with executive duty to enforce federal law, even though he personally favors marijuana decriminalization and thinks Congress should rewrite the statute instead. FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton and politicized institutions (Priority: 4/5): He covers reports that the FBI opened a new probe into the Clinton Foundation and argues the larger problem is that DOJ/FBI actions have become partisan tools, encouraging revenge politics from whichever party holds power. Culture-war commentary on gender and sexuality (Priority: 4/5): Shapiro criticizes a viral tweet about Mike Pence and a video claiming that men who reject trans women are insecure or bigoted, arguing people retain the right to their sexual preferences and that trans ideology should not coerce others. Listener mailbag on foreign policy, welfare, and conservatism (Priority: 3/5): He answers questions on Monroe vs. Truman Doctrine, welfare reform, Syria intervention, military pronouns, Lincoln and habeas corpus, and how a gay conservative can argue against gay marriage on secular grounds.

Key Arguments: Wolff’s book is likely built heavily on Steve Bannon’s gossip rather than rigorous reporting, making many anecdotes unreliable. Trump was right to attack Bannon personally, but wrong to threaten a defamation suit against the publisher because public-figure defamation is hard to win and the move increased attention to the book. The executive branch should enforce laws, not silently nullify them; if marijuana laws are outdated, Congress should change them instead of relying on DOJ non-enforcement. The federal government’s involvement in marijuana policy is overstated; state-level legalization/decriminalization should be resolved legislatively and, in Shapiro’s view, federal law should be reformed. DOJ and FBI politicization is corrosive because both parties are tempted to use investigative power against opponents and shield allies from accountability. People should be free to decline sex with a trans person without being accused of hatred; sexual consent and orientation should not be policed by ideology. America should pursue foreign policy that balances national strength with moral aims, avoiding open-ended interventions that cost too much blood and treasure. Social and fiscal policy debates should be argued on secular public-policy grounds rather than solely from scripture if the goal is persuasion in a pluralistic society.

Data Points: Book access to White House: 'large-scale access' to the West Wing - Shapiro says Michael Wolff had unusual access to staff and could sit near the West Wing to gather anecdotes Marijuana policy memo: 3 Obama-era memos - Sessions received a trio of memos tied to the Cole guidance and rescinded the non-interference approach Probing leadership quote: 'a return to the rule of law' - Shapiro summarizes Sessions’ justification for ending the Obama-era marijuana guidance Book release timing: 4 days early - The publisher released Fire and Fury early after the Trump backlash intensified attention Streisand effect reference: 1.5 million views - Used as the example of how trying to suppress attention can backfire; the Barbara Streisand house photos were viewed widely after legal action Original photo views: about 7 views - Shapiro contrasts the initial obscurity of the image with the later spike in attention Wolff book access claim: 'for months' - He says Wolff appears to have been allowed around the White House for an extended period Subscription pricing: $9.99/month or $99/year - Daily Wire membership pitch during the show Benching claim: 200 pounds - Shapiro answers a mailbag question about whether he can bench press 200 pounds Non-enforcement policy: Cole Rule / Cole memo - The Obama-era marijuana enforcement posture that Sessions rolled back Potential federal response: 'large-scale distributors' - Sessions said prosecutions should prioritize major marijuana activity and standard federal priorities

Pivotal Quotes: "Look at this guy's past and watch what happens to him and Sloppy Steve." — Donald Trump: Trump's late-night attack on Steve Bannon after revelations from Michael Wolff's book "It is not the job of the federal executive branch to simply decide... that we're not going to prosecute entire classes of crime because I don't like the law." — Ben Shapiro: His defense of Sessions’ marijuana-policy rollback on separation-of-powers grounds "The book is full of falsehoods and we're not going to talk about it anymore." — Ben Shapiro: His argument that Trump should have ignored the Wolff book instead of escalating with legal threats

Implications: Listeners are left with a conservative case for rule-of-law enforcement over executive discretion, skepticism toward sensational political journalism, and warnings that partisan institutions and overreaction can intensify future backlash and institutional mistrust.

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