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Ep. 878 - Fight Night III: Clown Car Chaos

Warren finally comes under attack and Biden continues to bumble as Democratic panic sets in! Date: 10-16-2019 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Executive Summary: Ben Shapiro argues the Democratic debate exposed deep weakness in the field: Elizabeth Warren was pressed hard on Medicare for All, taxes, and radical economic plans, Joe Biden looked frail and evasive, and other contenders—especially Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and even Beto—highlighted contradictions. The only real unity, Shapiro says, was around impeachment and anti-Trump rhetoric, revealing a party more united by opposition to Trump than by workable policy.

Main Topics: Elizabeth Warren under pressure (Priority: 5/5): Warren was attacked from multiple directions on Medicare for All, taxes, corporate governance, wealth taxes, and the feasibility of her agenda. Shapiro argues she looked evasive, weak, and unwilling to directly answer key questions. Joe Biden’s debate weakness and age concerns (Priority: 5/5): Biden was portrayed as past his prime, unable to sustain exchanges, and forced to defend himself on corruption and health. Shapiro says he no longer projects the strength needed to unify Democrats. Moderates vs. progressives in the Democratic field (Priority: 4/5): Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and others pressed Warren and Sanders on policy realism, but Shapiro argues the Democratic base remains driven by the progressive/woke wing, limiting the moderates’ gains. Impeachment as the Democrats’ unifying issue (Priority: 4/5): Shapiro says the party lacks a coherent positive agenda and relies on impeachment and anti-Trump sentiment as its main rallying point, with Pelosi hesitant to force a formal vote because support is uncertain. Radical economic proposals and their consequences (Priority: 5/5): The discussion centered on Medicare for All, wealth taxes, capital gains hikes, and mandatory employee board representation. Shapiro argues these policies are punitive, unrealistic, and politically damaging. Social issues: abortion and court reform (Priority: 3/5): Democrats took maximalist positions on abortion and judiciary reform, while Tulsi Gabbard was presented as the only participant willing to endorse restrictions and acknowledge federalism concerns. Foreign policy contradictions and Syria (Priority: 3/5): Shapiro highlighted Democratic inconsistency on troop withdrawals and Syria, accusing Biden and others of ignoring Obama-era failures while attacking Trump’s Syria policy.

Key Arguments: Warren’s strength depends on staying on-script; once challenged directly, she struggled to defend her policy agenda. Biden remains the national front-runner in polling but appeared weak, overexposed, and unable to sustain forceful debate exchanges. The Democratic field lacks a compelling non-progressive alternative; moderates can criticize radicalism but are not gaining real traction. Impeachment is serving as the party’s main unifying force because Democrats do not have a strong positive policy platform. Warren’s Medicare for All and wealth-tax proposals would raise middle-class costs and impose large, politically risky tax burdens. Biden and Warren both present themselves as “moderate” or “pragmatic” while backing policies Shapiro characterizes as highly radical. Kamala Harris and Cory Booker were depicted as overreaching in an effort to stand out, especially on Twitter censorship and reproductive rights. The debate revealed internal Democratic contradictions on issues like corruption, foreign policy, abortion, and executive power.

Data Points: RealClearPolitics polling status: Biden remained the national frontrunner - Shapiro referenced the polling average while noting Warren’s rise in Iowa and New Hampshire Iowa standing: Warren led by a slight margin - He said Warren had edged ahead of Sanders and Biden in Iowa New Hampshire standing: Warren led Biden by a slight margin - He described Warren’s New Hampshire lead as very small Federal budget comparison: About $4 trillion per year - Used when discussing Biden’s claim that Warren’s Medicare for All plan would cost $30 trillion over 10 years Medicare for All estimate: $30 trillion over 10 years - Biden cited this number to argue Warren’s plan is too expensive Capital gains tax proposal: 15% to 40% - Shapiro said Biden proposed raising capital gains taxes to 40% Board representation proposal: 40% of corporate board seats - Warren proposed employee-elected board representation for large corporations Private-sector unionization rate: 7% - Shapiro used this to argue most workers do not want mandatory union-style control Health coverage impact claim: 150 million Americans - Buttigieg argued Warren’s Medicare for All plan would kick this many people off private insurance Age milestone: 80 during first term - Asked of Biden as a presidential viability issue Impeachment timing: After Mueller report - Warren said she called for impeachment as soon as the Mueller report came out Third-trimester abortion restriction view: Supported by Tulsi Gabbard - Shapiro described this as a broad-spectrum position among Americans Show production: 3-hour show with 2 additional live hours - Mentioned in the sponsor/promo segment

Pivotal Quotes: "Will you raise taxes on the middle class to pay for it, yes or no?" — Moderator: Direct challenge to Elizabeth Warren on Medicare for All funding "The plan is going to cost at least $30 trillion over 10 years." — Joe Biden: Biden arguing Warren’s Medicare for All proposal is financially unsustainable "I don't need lessons from you on courage, political or personal." — Pete Buttigieg: Buttigieg pushing back on Beto O'Rourke’s gun-control posture and public bravado

Implications: Shapiro frames the debate as a warning for Democrats: their frontrunner looked vulnerable, their platform looked extreme, and their coalition appeared held together mainly by anti-Trump anger. If that persists, he argues, Trump benefits unless Democrats sharpen their message or unify behind impeachment.

From the Transcript

And I buy a house with it. And then you want to assess the value of the house and tax me on the value of the house every year as a wealth tax. How many times can you take a bite at the same apple? Anyway, that's just one of Elizabeth Warren's wild and myriad proposals. So she is asked by one of the debate moderators last night whether she would raise taxes on the middle class, and she will not answer the question. Will you raise taxes on the middle class to pay for it, yes or no? So I have made clear what my principles are here, and that is costs will go up for the wealth. And for big corporations and for hardworking middle-class families, costs will go down. Okay, that is called avoiding the question, what Elizabeth Warren just did there. That is just avoiding the question because, again, the answer is: yes, your taxes will go up if you're middle class. And Bernie Sanders makes this clear, right? They went to Bernie Sanders, and Bernie was like, Yes, I will raise your taxes. Of course, I will raise your taxes. Your overall costs will go down because you will no longer have to pay for pudding, but your taxes will go up. At least he's honest about it. Elizabeth Warren refuses to say those.

Moderator · at 19:08

Jobs back to your dying town. They have no way of doing so. And you'll see Elizabeth Warren lying, lying about middle-class taxes by simply refusing to answer the question because the fact is that her plans are not good. They're simply not good. And she wants power anyway. Joe Biden, by the way, went after Elizabeth Warren on this as well. And again, he scored some points here. On the single most important thing, facing the American public, I think it's awfully important to be straightforward with it. The plan is going to cost at least $30. Trillion dollars over 10 years. That is more on a yearly basis than the entire federal budget. Well, realistically speaking, Joe Biden is a little wrong. It's going to cost three quarters of the federal budget. So he's not totally wrong. $30 trillion over 10 years, the federal budget right now is about $4 trillion a year. So it's a near doubling of the federal budget. And Elizabeth Warren doesn't have any way to pay for that. And this is the constant theme from Elizabeth Warren. She's either saying stuff that is so radical that it is

Joe Biden · at 23:08

Democrats were pointing this out. So Pete Buttigieg pointed this out to Beto, right? Pete Budig, who is the kid in school who always brings the polished apple to the teacher, his teacher's pet. But Pete Buttigieg is correct here, right? And he attacks Beto because Bailey was doing this whole, I'm brave, dude, because I want to take your guns. I'm so brave. I mean, I'm not going to do it, but I'm going to make other people do it. And maybe I won't make other people do it, but maybe I'll talk about it a lot. And Pete Buddige was like, come on, come on. The problem is in the polls, the problem is the policy. And I don't need lessons. From you on courage, political or personal. Everyone on this stage is determined to get something done. Everyone on this stage recognizes, or at least I thought we did, that the problem is not other Democrats who don't agree with your particular idea of how to handle this. Ooh, Pete Budig getting feisty there, getting very, very feisty. So that was a delicious moment. Also, again, I have to go back to Kamala Harris. And again, points for effort for Kamala Harris. She's trying so hard. She desperately wants.

Pete Buttigieg · at 44:29
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