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How an Open Democratic Convention Would Work

After President Biden’s rough performance at the first presidential debate, the question of an open convention has roared to the front of Democratic politics. But how would an open convention work? What would be its risks? What would be its rewards? In February, after I first made the case for an op

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Executive Summary: Ezra Klein and Elaine Kamarck examine how U.S. presidential nominations shifted from party-controlled conventions to binding primaries after 1968, and what would happen if Democrats had to choose a nominee at a modern convention. Kamarck argues conventions still matter, would likely favor broadly acceptable, well-connected candidates, and could work despite media chaos—though legitimacy, fundraising, and internal party divisions would shape the outcome.

Main Topics: From conventions to binding primaries (Priority: 5/5): Kamarck explains that nominations used to be decided by delegates at conventions, while primaries mainly functioned as nonbinding beauty contests. The post-1968 reforms made primaries binding and gave voters much more control over nominations. Why 1968 changed everything (Priority: 5/5): The Democratic Convention in Chicago collapsed amid antiwar protest and internal conflict, prompting reforms that required delegates to be pledged to primary outcomes and standardized caucus timing. What an open convention would look like today (Priority: 5/5): If Biden stepped aside before the convention, delegates would be selected through state and county conventions, and candidates would campaign directly to activists, local party leaders, and delegate blocs. Representation, democracy, and party legitimacy (Priority: 4/5): The conversation contrasts direct democracy through primaries with representative democracy through elected party actors and delegates, arguing that both are legitimate forms of democratic selection. Who would benefit from a convention system (Priority: 4/5): Kamarck suggests conventions would favor broadly acceptable, competent, politically connected candidates and likely disadvantage insurgents, celebrity-style campaigns, and polarizing figures. Risk of chaos vs. possibility of civic spectacle (Priority: 4/5): Both speakers discuss whether a brokered convention would fracture the party or become a compelling democratic event; Kamarck thinks Democrats could handle it because the timeline is short and party divisions are manageable. Fundraising and party infrastructure (Priority: 3/5): A late-cycle nominee would rely on the party’s existing money and organization rather than an individual campaign’s prebuilt operation, making party strength crucial.

Key Arguments: Primaries are a sequence of delegate-selection contests, not a single national election; the convention remains the ultimate authority if no candidate has a majority. The 1968 Democratic Convention exposed the instability of unbound delegates and led to reforms that made primaries binding and caucuses more transparent. Old-style conventions did not eliminate democracy; they embodied representative democracy through elected officials, party leaders, and activists rather than mass direct voting. A convention system would likely reward candidates with broad party trust, governing competence, and strong relationships across state delegations. Peer review from experienced party actors can function as a screen against unserious or incompetent presidential contenders. The current primary system has little formal vetting by people with governing experience, which allows celebrity or highly polarizing candidates to thrive. If Biden withdrew close to the convention, delegates would probably deliberate hotel-to-hotel, through blocs and surrogates, with extensive media coverage and possible multiple ballots. Democratic Party divisions appear less deep than Republican divisions, making a brokered Democratic convention more manageable than a Republican one. Legitimacy concerns would likely be softened by the fact that delegates and party leaders are themselves elected representatives, not unelected elites. The health of the party apparatus, especially fundraising capacity, would be essential for a late-emerging nominee to compete in the general election.

Data Points: Years between reforms and present system: Since 1972 - Kamarck says the post-1968 changes essentially restructured nominations around binding primaries and modern caucuses. Primary states in 1968: About 16 - Kamarck notes there were very few primaries before reforms, and they were mostly nonbinding. Delegates on way to the convention: 4,000 and some - Kamarck uses this to describe the size of the delegate body that would choose a nominee if the race went to the convention. Democratic voters wanting Biden to run again: Two-thirds - Ezra cites a CNN poll describing broad dissatisfaction with Biden while noting no clear alternative had emerged. Biden fundraising on hand: More than $100 million - Discussed in the context of how a late nominee might access campaign resources and transfer funds through the party. Ballots at 1912 Democratic convention: 46 ballots - Used as an example of a highly contested convention that took many rounds to resolve. 1960 Democratic convention outcome: JFK nearly lost - Kamarck describes Kennedy’s narrow path to nomination and subsequent need to placate Lyndon Johnson.

Pivotal Quotes: "Selecting a nominee is a process, not an event." — Elaine Kamarck: Kamarck’s core framing for how the nomination system actually works across primaries, delegate selection, and convention voting. "This is a people's nomination." — George McGovern (clip referenced by Elaine Kamarck): Used to illustrate how the 1972 reform era shifted power from party leaders to primary voters. "They organize victory." — Charles Sumner (quoted by Ezra Klein): Summarizes the party’s purpose in selecting nominees: not just participation, but winning elections.

Implications: A late Biden withdrawal could revive a convention-driven nomination, testing party legitimacy while potentially producing a more vetted, broadly acceptable nominee. The outcome would hinge on party unity, delegate discipline, and whether Democrats can turn procedural chaos into a winning narrative.

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