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Immigration

We head to a farm in Alabama to find out what happened after thousands of immigrants left the state. Did it create more jobs for Americans and what happened to the crime rate? We speak to economists Prof. Samuel Addy, Prof. Jennifer Hunt, and Prof. Brian Bell to find out. Science Vs Live! Come see o

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Executive Summary: The episode examines common claims about immigration in the U.S. using research: immigrants generally do not take jobs from Americans, do not meaningfully lower overall wages, are a net long-run economic plus, and do not raise crime rates overall. Some low-skilled native-born workers can lose wages, but immigrants also create demand, jobs, and innovation, making the broad economic impact positive.

Main Topics: Immigrants and jobs (Priority: 5/5): The show argues immigrants mostly fill labor gaps in jobs Americans often do not want, especially farm work, rather than displacing native-born workers. Immigrants and wages (Priority: 5/5): Research suggests wage effects are concentrated among very low-skilled native-born workers, while the overall wage impact on Americans is very small. Fiscal impact and public services (Priority: 4/5): Immigrants do use public services and can cost money in the short run, but their children and the economic activity they generate contribute substantial tax revenues over time. Immigrants and crime (Priority: 5/5): The episode reviews evidence showing little to no effect of immigrants on violent crime and only small, context-specific effects on property crime when people cannot work legally. Demand, growth, and innovation (Priority: 4/5): Immigrants increase consumer demand and, among highly skilled groups, contribute disproportionately to patents and long-term growth. Public fear vs. scientific evidence (Priority: 3/5): The episode explores why anti-immigrant sentiment persists despite research, emphasizing in-group/out-group psychology and political messaging.

Key Arguments: Immigrants are not generally stealing jobs; in many sectors they fill labor shortages that native-born workers avoid. Americans are often not taking farm jobs because of education trends, job preferences, physical demands, and lack of willingness to relocate. The biggest wage losses from immigration fall on very low-skilled native-born workers, especially high school dropouts, but average long-run effects on wages are very small. Immigrants generate demand by spending on goods and services, which creates jobs throughout local economies. Highly skilled immigrants contribute disproportionately to patents and innovation, which boosts productivity and long-term growth. Immigrants cost money through schools and social services, but immigrant families and especially their U.S.-born children often pay back more in taxes over time. Evidence does not support the claim that immigrants increase violent crime; some studies even find lower crime rates among immigrants than among native-born Americans. When immigrants can work legally, crime risks appear lower because employment is a stronger option than offending; asylum seekers unable to work may see slight property-crime increases. Public fears about immigration are shaped partly by human tendencies to form in-groups and out-groups, which politicians can exploit. The broad scientific consensus is that immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the United States.

Data Points: U.S. foreign-born population: Over 40 million people - People living in the U.S. who were born in other countries Share of U.S. population: More than 1 in 8 - Foreign-born residents as a proportion of the U.S. population Americans favoring a longer border wall: About 40% - Pew survey mentioned early in the episode Immigrants estimated to have left Alabama after restrictive law: Perhaps 15,000 to over 40,000 - Estimates based on census data, Pew, and University of Alabama analysis Farm workers needed in Georgia after similar law: About 60% of needed workers available - Survey after immigration restrictions affected farm labor Unemployed North Carolinians in 2011: Almost 500,000 - Referenced alongside farm labor shortages American workers taking 6,000+ farm openings in North Carolina: 7 workers - Only seven Americans took the jobs and finished the season Immigrants as share of men working on farms: 7.5% in 1990 to more than triple by 2012 - Shows rising immigrant participation in farm labor High school dropout share of U.S. population: About 8% - Jenny Hunt's revised estimate of the group most affected by wage competition Reported wage impacts from studies: From 9% down to 0.7% - Different study estimates of wage effects for some native-born workers NAS conclusion on average wage impact: Very small - National Academy of Sciences report on overall long-run wage effects Mariel Boat Lift immigrants: Around 120,000 - Cuban immigrants arriving in Florida over six months in 1980 Effect of Mariel Boat Lift on Miami employment: Virtually no effect - Analysis of labor market impact after large inflow Government spending per immigrant: Around $5,000 per year - Includes immigrant children in public cost calculations Pew view of immigrants as a burden: 40% of Americans - Public perception of immigrants draining social services Property crime increase near asylum seekers in the UK: 1.1% - If a town of 10,000 people received 100 asylum seekers Violent crime effect from immigrants in UK studies: No effect - Brian Bell's analysis of immigrant waves to the UK Pew view of immigrants as a strength: 60% of Americans - 2016 survey showing more positive views than in the past

Pivotal Quotes: "Immigrants typically go for the jobs that we shun. So the only way you can have people fill those jobs is to bring them in. Bring the immigrants in." — Sam Addy: Explaining why immigrants often fill farm labor shortages in Alabama "There isn't just a fixed number of jobs. The more people there are, the more demand there is, the more jobs there are." — Sam Addy: Describing how immigration creates demand and employment "Immigration has an overall positive impact on long-run economic growth in the United States." — National Academy of Sciences report: Summarizing the report's bottom-line conclusion

Implications: For listeners, the main takeaway is that immigration debates are often driven more by fear than evidence. Policies that sharply restrict immigrants may reduce labor supply, demand, and growth, while the biggest harms fall on a small low-skill group rather than the economy overall.

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