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Is Private Credit a Systemic Risk? (A Regulator’s View) | Fabio Natalucci

Fabio Natalucci, CEO of the Anderson Institute for Finance & Economics, joins Monetary Matters to discuss his work at the IMF on the potential risks to the global financial system that the growth of private credit may pose. They also discuss the affects that tariffs will have not just on the eco

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Executive Summary: Fabio Natalucci argues that private credit has become a $1.7T shadow-banking ecosystem with real benefits but rising stability risks from leverage layering, opaque pricing, cross-border spillovers, and retail expansion. He also warns tariffs could shock growth, inflation, capital flows, and dollar pricing, especially if global investors rethink U.S. asset exposure.

Main Topics: Private credit’s rapid growth and structural shift: Natalucci traces private credit’s rise from post-GFC leveraged finance to a massive non-bank channel that displaced bank lending and transformed Wall Street’s market structure. Financial stability risks: liquidity, leverage, interconnections: He emphasizes that the biggest concerns are not simple one-layer leverage or run risk, but layered leverage across borrowers, funds, investors, banks, CLOs, and insurers, combined with limited data visibility. Retailization and banking-like features: He is especially concerned that private credit products are moving toward retail investors through ETFs, interval funds, and blended vehicles, creating bank-like liquidity expectations without deposit insurance or lender-of-last-resort support. Opacity, valuation delays, and stress scenarios: He notes that much of the asset class reprices only quarterly or via third parties, which can mask risk in normal times but amplify instability when recession or system-wide liquidity stress forces marks lower. Tariffs, trade disruption, and macro-financial spillovers: Natalucci says tariffs are a policy-driven shock likely to raise U.S. inflation and lower growth while hurting the rest of the world via demand, supply chains, and uncertainty, especially for SMEs and import-dependent firms. Dollar, capital flows, and U.S. exceptionalism: He warns that if foreign investors re-evaluate dollar assets, even marginal selling or non-reinvestment could lift yields, weaken the dollar, and raise the risk premium on U.S. financial assets. Institutional strategy and regulatory perimeter: He closes by describing the Anderson Institute’s agenda: research on geopolitics, AI, public debt, climate resilience, and financial fragmentation, with a macro-financial lens on policy and markets.

Key Arguments: Private credit is large enough to warrant financial-stability scrutiny, but the main issue is not just its size; it is the combination of growth, opacity, and interconnection with banks, insurers, and investors. Liquidity risk is limited for traditional institutional capital because funds are long-term, but retail access changes the game by creating ATM-like expectations for money that is actually illiquid. The sector’s risk is magnified by layered leverage: borrower leverage, fund-level leverage, and investor leverage can interact even if each layer looks manageable in isolation. Quarterly pricing and delayed marking can provide a temporary bridge in normal times, but in a recession or broad liquidity event, price discovery can happen suddenly and violently. Private credit can be beneficial because it diversifies funding away from banks and can provide credit when banks pull back, as seen in March-April 2020. However, much of the risk may simply flow back into the banking system through collateralized borrowing, underwriting, and portfolio lending, reducing the true diversification benefit. Retailization is the biggest red flag because it broadens access to less liquid assets while marketing them with apparent liquidity and yield, which can encourage maturity mismatch. Tariffs are not a standard cyclical shock; they are a policy-driven regime shift that can depress growth, raise prices, and disrupt trade and capital flows simultaneously. If global investors shift even modestly away from U.S. assets, the sheer size of the foreign holdings base means pricing effects on Treasuries, MBS, equities, and the dollar can be meaningful. The appropriate policy response is not necessarily to regulate all of private credit like banks, but to rethink the perimeter for transparency, data collection, supervision, and investor protection as the market structure changes.

Data Points: Private credit market size: $1.7 trillion - Approximate size of the asset class when the IMF report was written in 2024. Private credit market size in 2008: $100 billion or less - Size of the industry during the global financial crisis, illustrating explosive growth since then. Retail-accessible private credit products: About $100 billion - Estimate cited for products where retail investors had access at the time of the IMF report. Retail minimum investment: $1,000 - Threshold mentioned for new funds being offered by KKR and Capital Group. Institutional lockup horizon: 5 to 10 years - Typical commitment period for institutional investors in private credit funds. Private equity-linked insurance level three assets: Much larger share than non-linked insurers - IMF work found more illiquid assets on the balance sheets of insurers linked to private equity. U.S. net foreign asset position: -85% of GDP - Magnitude of U.S. net foreign liabilities discussed as a source of sensitivity to foreign portfolio shifts. Foreign ownership of U.S. equities: About 30% - Share of U.S. equities held by foreigners, underscoring sensitivity to marginal selling. U.S. share of global equity: About 70% - Used to show how large the U.S. equity market is relative to the rest of the world. U.S. share of global GDP: About 25% - Compared with the U.S. share of global equity to highlight market concentration. Foreign ownership of Treasuries: About 30% - Used to show how materially foreign portfolio decisions can affect U.S. rates and funding conditions. U.S. twin deficit: North of 10% - Combined current account and fiscal deficit mentioned as a vulnerability for dollar assets. U.S. timing premium increase: Over 200 basis points - Rise in term premium from September to the April peak, linked to fiscal and policy concerns. Effective tariff level: Near levels last seen 100+ years ago - Characterization of the scale of tariff policy discussed relative to historical norms. China shipping decline: Big decline in shipping from China - Evidence cited of supply chain disruption and front-running of tariffs. Japanese weekly sales of foreign long-term debt: Close to $18 billion - March 30-April 5 data cited as one example of foreign portfolio flow stress.

Pivotal Quotes: "The concern, if anything, was the layering of leverage." — Fabio Natalucci: He explains that private credit risk comes less from any single leverage source than from multiple stacked layers across firms, funds, investors, and banks. "At some point, this starts smelling like banking business." — Fabio Natalucci: He warns that retail-facing private credit products with periodic withdrawals and illiquid assets resemble bank-like maturity transformation without bank backstops. "This is a policy-driven shock. It takes itself." — Fabio Natalucci: He distinguishes tariffs from external shocks like COVID or the GFC, arguing the current trade shock is self-inflicted and can be reversed.

Implications: Private credit is no longer niche; it is a systemically relevant market that may need new transparency and supervision rules, especially as retail money enters. Tariffs and foreign portfolio shifts could further strain growth, inflation, and dollar asset pricing.

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