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Judd Arnold from Lake Cornelia Research Management on Offshore and Tidewater $TDW

Judd Arnold discusses how the offshore place is at an inflection point and why he thinks Tidewater (TDW) is the best way to lay it. Judd's initial piece on TDW: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cKYzHg62bamDQa620NZcmn_af0A0xTfT/view Judd's TDW space: https://twitter.com/CorneliaLake/status/

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Andrew Walker HostJudd Arnold Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode argues offshore oil services are in the early stages of a powerful upcycle, with Tidewater as the cleanest way to play it. Judd Arnold says the industry is the inverse of 2012-2014: years of no new builds, exhausted legacy supply, rising utilization, and fast-rising day rates make incremental capacity hard to add, supporting strong free cash flow and upside despite cyclical risk.

Main Topics: Offshore as the inverse of the last cycle (Priority: 5/5): Judd frames today’s offshore market as the mirror image of the 2012-2014 boom-bust: demand is recovering while new supply is constrained, rather than flooded. He sees the sector as having moved from oversupply and bankruptcy to tightening utilization and pricing power. Why Tidewater is the preferred OSV play (Priority: 5/5): Tidewater is presented as the best offshore support vessel investment because it has no debt, a mostly modern fleet, limited liquidity, and direct exposure to rising day rates. The company is viewed as a clean, levered-to-the-cycle equity without the balance-sheet fragility of peers. New-build barriers and supply destruction (Priority: 5/5): A central thesis is that offshore vessel and rig supply cannot respond quickly because shipyards are gone, deposits are much higher, build times are long, and management teams are unlikely to order aggressively. This makes new supply response slow and reinforces pricing power. Day-rate and utilization inflection (Priority: 4/5): The discussion emphasizes that once high-quality assets approach ~80% utilization, day rates tend to inflect sharply. Judd argues the best vessels and rigs are already tightening, and higher-priced contracts are now being signed across the fleet. Valuation, convexity, and cash return (Priority: 4/5): Rather than using precise mid-cycle valuation, Judd advocates simple cyclical math: buy an unlevered asset at a low multiple, assume rising rates, and expect a large portion of market cap to return through free cash flow and potential buybacks/dividends. Strategic differences across Tidewater, drillers, and peers (Priority: 3/5): The conversation compares Tidewater with Valaris, Noble, Transocean, and Rig. Tidewater is viewed as cleaner and more open, Valaris as asset-rich but contract-limited, and Rig as more levered but with strong operating torque if the cycle extends. Macro support: oil supply, OPEC, and energy nationalism (Priority: 3/5): Judd argues offshore spending is supported by structural supply needs, peaking shale, and an OPEC-backed floor. He sees geopolitical dynamics and energy nationalism as reinforcing upstream capex and long-cycle offshore investment.

Key Arguments: Offshore is attractive because it is a long-cycle, capital-intensive business with high asset quality and slow supply response, unlike shale’s fast-turning, easily replicated economics. The industry is constrained by the absence of meaningful new builds for roughly a decade, which means retirements and rising utilization cannot be quickly offset. New offshore vessels and rigs are expensive and time-consuming to build, while yards now demand much larger deposits and often do not want the work at all. Tidewater is especially compelling because it has no debt, a relatively modern fleet, and direct exposure to rising spot and contract day rates. At roughly 80% utilization, day rates should inflect sharply upward, and the strongest assets are already approaching that point. The market may underappreciate how quickly free cash flow can ramp if Tidewater’s rates rise toward new-build economics. Even without heroic assumptions, the sector offers convex upside because the downside is limited by asset value and the upside comes from multi-year cash generation. Management teams are likely to stay conservative and return capital rather than aggressively expand, because the industry has been punished for overbuilding before. Offshore spending is still far below prior cycle peaks, so the industry can run further before supply catches up. The main macro risk is a sustained collapse in oil prices, but Judd thinks offshore tightening would largely pause rather than structurally reverse unless oil stays weak for a long time.

Data Points: Tidewater fleet size: just under 200 boats - Used to illustrate how much replacement capital would be needed to match the company’s existing fleet with new builds. Tidewater trading valuation: 16-17x EV / EBITDA - Described as inexpensive relative to replacement cost and future cash flow potential. New-build OSV cost: $60-70 million per vessel - Used to show how expensive replacement capacity has become and why new supply is hard to add. Deepwater rig cost: about $1 billion per rig - Highlights the capital intensity of offshore drilling assets. 2012-2014 new-build orderbook: 30% of existing fleet - Cited as the prior-cycle oversupply that helped destroy economics. Industry utilization drop in prior downturn: low 80%s to 50% - Illustrates how sharply utilization fell during the bust. Prior-day rates for good OSVs: about $28,000 to $10,000-12,000 per day - Used to show the severity of the previous pricing collapse. Current deepwater rig day rates: about $400,000 per day - Described as having rebounded from around $200,000 per day at the bottom. Prior-cycle peak deepwater rig day rates: about $660,000 per day - Referenced as the last cycle’s high-water mark. New-build rig economics: about $475,000-$500,000 per day - Estimated rate needed to justify new rig construction. Tidewater average day rate: $13,500 and rising - Mentioned as the company’s current average rate, with future increases expected. Tidewater peak day rate: $18,000 - Referenced as a previous high, before fleet mix improvements. Leading-edge Tidewater rates: $16,000-$17,000+ - Used to indicate where current strongest contracts are clearing. A recently signed Tidewater contract: $40,000 per day - Evidence that premium pricing is already appearing in the market. Tidewater implied EBITDA scenario: $666 million - Used by the host as an example based on $18,500 day rates. Tidewater implied free cash flow scenario: about $600 million - Host’s estimate at current rate assumptions. Tidewater market cap / EV: about $1.8 billion EV; about $1.5 billion market cap - Used to frame the company as extremely cheap relative to possible cash generation. Tidewater shares outstanding: 52 million - Used in the host’s valuation example to derive a potential share price. Potential Tidewater share price case: about $60/share - Host’s rough valuation using $650 million EBITDA and a 5x multiple. Potential return framework: double in 2.5 to 4 years - Judd repeatedly frames upside as a plausible multi-year double from current levels. Offshore spending relative to prior peak: about 50% of peak 2014 levels - Judd argues current capex is still far below the last boom, leaving room to grow. Offshore spending relative to 2020: back to 2020 levels - Used to emphasize how early the cycle still is. Oil demand threshold: 105 million barrels per day - Judd’s “we die at 105” thesis: supply/demand gets very tight around this level. Oil demand growth 2010-2019: 85 to 100 million barrels per day - Shows the magnitude of the last decade’s demand expansion. Projected oil use per capita comparison: China-to-Mexico: +18 million bpd; India-to-China: +6.5 million bpd - Illustrative comparison used to show the scale of global demand growth potential.

Pivotal Quotes: "It's the inverse of 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015." — Judd Arnold: Core thesis on why offshore is attractive now compared with the prior bust. "Once you get to 80, like day rates just start inflecting." — Judd Arnold: Explains why rising utilization can quickly translate into higher pricing power. "Tidewater could do a billion of free cash flow at New Build Economics." — Judd Arnold: Summarizes the bullish cash generation potential if day rates reach replacement-level economics.

Implications: Listeners should see offshore services as a high-convexity cyclical bet with limited new supply and rising pricing power. Tidewater stands out as a lower-risk way to express the thesis, but oil-price weakness remains the key macro risk.

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