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MacroVoices #294 Luke Gromen: The U.S. Government Cannot Afford Secular Inflation

MacroVoices Erik Townsend and Patrick Ceresna welcome Forest For The Trees (FFTT) founder Luke Gromen to the show. They discuss the U.S. Dollar, inflation, what the consequences of inflation will be, and much more. Link: https://bit.ly/3AYPIWh

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices episode 294 centers on Luke Groman’s thesis that inflation is not transitory but a structural regime shift driven by deglobalization, peak cheap oil, and U.S. fiscal constraints. He argues the Fed cannot meaningfully tighten because true interest expense already exceeds tax receipts, making balance-sheet expansion and eventual yield-curve control the likely policy response. The hosts and post-game charts reinforce themes of strong equities, firm oil, rising inflation expectations, and a fragile dollar/bond setup.

Main Topics: Structural vs. transitory inflation (Priority: 5/5): Luke Groman argues inflation is a multi-year structural shift, not a temporary post-COVID spike, driven by reversing deflationary forces such as shale, globalization, and household financial dynamics. U.S. fiscal constraint and monetization (Priority: 5/5): A central thesis is that the U.S. government cannot cover 'true interest expense' from tax receipts, forcing the Fed toward ongoing monetization and eventually cap on yields. Fed policy limits and yield-curve control (Priority: 5/5): Groman says the Fed’s only real options are jawboning, lying about inflation, or expanding the balance sheet; explicit yield-curve control is framed as inevitable once markets test the limits. Asset allocation for an inflationary regime (Priority: 4/5): The discussion shifts to what assets should perform well if debt is inflated away: Bitcoin, gold, commodities, equities, real estate, and other finite assets, while nominal bonds may hold but lose in real terms. Dollar regime and shrinking policy range (Priority: 4/5): Groman describes the dollar trading range as a narrowing operating window, with both upside and downside extremes capable of destabilizing the system as reserve-currency credibility erodes. Market and chart review: equities, oil, gold, rates (Priority: 3/5): Eric and Patrick review charts showing S&P 500 near highs, crude in a healthy pullback, gold consolidating near key resistance, silver breaking out, and the belly of the Treasury curve leading the selloff. Bitcoin adoption and regulatory catalysis (Priority: 4/5): Bitcoin is portrayed as a likely beneficiary of easier access through ETFs and retirement plans, with future FINRA/suitability and central-bank responses potentially accelerating adoption.

Key Arguments: Inflation is likely structural because long-running disinflationary forces are reversing: U.S. shale is less able to suppress oil prices, and globalization/U.S.-China trade friction is no longer deflationary. Required minimum distributions from baby boomers and the unwind of deferred compensation schemes may increase spending and add inflationary pressure over time. The U.S. government’s 'true interest expense' (Treasury spending plus entitlement pay-go) is already above tax receipts, making rate hikes politically and economically difficult. If the Fed tightens into this backdrop, recession would reduce tax receipts while raising interest expense, forcing a reversal and more money printing. The Fed’s current strategy is to manage expectations with lowball inflation messaging and 'transitory' rhetoric, but this cannot persist once real rates and inflation are widely recognized. Yield-curve control is presented as the likely endpoint because the Fed will choose to cap yields rather than allow a sovereign funding crisis. Asset allocation should shift toward real/finite assets that benefit from debt inflation: Bitcoin, gold, commodities, equities, real estate, and leveraged exposure to hard assets via borrowing. Bond shorts are best expressed indirectly by borrowing cheaply and buying appreciating real assets rather than shorting nominal bonds outright. The U.S. dollar’s crisis threshold is falling over time, while the level that triggers a run out of the dollar is rising, shrinking the Fed’s room to maneuver. Bitcoin could gain further from ETF access and especially if it becomes available inside 401(k)-type deferred accounts, broadening participation dramatically.

Data Points: Macro Voices episode: 294 - Episode number for the recorded show Recording date: October 21, 2021 - When the episode was recorded SP 500 status: Near 52-week highs / stone’s throw from all-time highs - Host discussion of equities market Dollar resistance: 94.5 - Patrick notes the dollar has not decisively broken above this level Crude oil high: Almost cleared $84 on the December contract - Host discussion of oil prices EIA crude inventory change: -431,000 barrels - Weekly U.S. crude inventory draw reported on the show EIA crude incl. SPR drawdowns: -2.1 million barrels - Crude draw plus strategic petroleum reserve drawdowns Cushing inventory change: -2.3 million barrels - Counter-seasonal draw in Cushing, Oklahoma Gasoline inventories: -5.4 million barrels - Weekly product inventory draw Distillate inventories: -3.9 million barrels - Weekly product inventory draw U.S. production: 11.3 million barrels/day - Oil production level mentioned during the market recap Front spread peak: $1.24 per month - Difference between December and January crude contracts, cited as sign of tightness Historical front spread peak: $1.60 per month - Referenced from 2013–2014 Cushing-related spread blowout Gold pivot level: $1,800 - Key resistance level discussed for a breakout confirmation 10-year Treasury yield: 1.67% - Patrick and Eric discuss the bond market level True interest expense vs tax receipts: 111% - Luke Groman says Treasury spending plus entitlement pay-go equals 111% of tax receipts Baby boomer assets: $35 trillion - Estimated assets controlled by baby boomers, cited from WSJ Required annual spending from RMDs: about 3% per year - Simplified estimate of required minimum distributions U.S. debt to GDP: 125% - Current level cited when discussing eventual deleveraging via inflation Target debt to GDP after inflation: 70% - Luke’s estimated level after debt is inflated away Fed balance sheet: $8.3 trillion - Used in hypothetical about what would happen if the Fed tried to shrink it to zero Social Security COLA: 5.9% - Mentioned as an example of inflation adjustments Mortgage rate example: 2.9% - Used to illustrate negative real financing conditions Bitcoin ETF timing: Started trading this week - Used as catalyst for broader Bitcoin access Bitcoin price outlook: $100,000 or higher within a year - Luke and Eric discuss possible upside after ETF adoption Dollar trading range: 89 to 94 - Luke describes the Fed’s shrinking operating room Inflation estimate (Luke’s view): 8% to 10% or higher - He argues reported inflation is undermeasured and real rates are much more negative

Pivotal Quotes: "I think it's the beginning of a structural inflation that's going to last many years." — Luke Groman: His direct answer to whether current inflation is transitory or structural "What we call the US's true interest expense... are still 111% of U.S. tax receipts." — Luke Groman: Core argument that fiscal math constrains Fed tightening "I think the Fed will very quickly have to reverse track, which I think will be very inflationary." — Luke Groman: Explaining why tightening would likely fail and trigger more money printing

Implications: Listeners should view the episode as a warning that inflation, dollar weakness, and policy intervention may persist much longer than consensus expects. The favored setup is to own hard assets and avoid relying on nominal bond returns while watching Fed policy for signs of yield-curve control.

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