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MacroVoices #439 Rory Johnston: Discretionary Risks To The Oil Market

MacroVoices Erik Townsend & Patrick Ceresna welcome back, Rory Johnston. They discuss all things crude oil, ranging from President Trump’s claim that OPEC is working hard to get Kamala Harris elected to the ultimate growth limits of U.S. Shale. https://bit.ly/4ceTfSV ⚫ Follow Rory Johnston o

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Executive Summary: Macro Voices episode 439 centers on Rory Johnston’s view that OPEC+, especially Saudi Arabia, is still actively supporting oil prices via large production cuts while demand signals weaken, especially in China. The discussion weighs backwardation vs. emerging contango risks, U.S. shale resilience, Saudi fiscal needs, Russia/geopolitical tail risks, and SPR policy. The post-game shifts to market charts: oil’s range-bound setup, elevated equity volatility, gold’s geopolitical bid, uranium’s technical bottoming, and falling Treasury yields.

Main Topics: OPEC+ supply management and oil-price control (Priority: 5/5): Johnston argues OPEC+ is not suppressing oil prices for political reasons; it is deliberately withholding roughly crisis-level volumes to defend a much higher price floor, likely around $80 Brent, because Saudi fiscal needs demand it. Demand weakness, especially in China (Priority: 5/5): A major counterweight to OPEC support is weakening global demand, with Chinese oil demand flattening or contracting versus strong year-ago comps. Johnston highlights diesel weakness tied to LNG displacement in trucking as a key concern. Crude term structure: backwardation weakening (Priority: 5/5): The discussion uses the curve as the best real-time signal. Backwardation remains, but it has eroded quickly, suggesting tightness is easing and that a shift toward contango is possible if demand softens further. U.S. shale resilience and limits (Priority: 4/5): Despite recurring claims that shale has peaked, Johnston notes U.S. production has repeatedly exceeded expectations thanks to productivity gains. He sees shale slowing, not collapsing, unless prices fall materially. Geopolitical tail risks: Russia, Israel-Iran, nuclear escalation (Priority: 4/5): Both speakers stress that escalating conflict could sharply alter oil supply and demand. Johnston notes Russian supply loss would be hugely bullish, but broader war or nuclear events could also crush demand. Strategic Petroleum Reserve policy and refilling (Priority: 4/5): Johnston says the U.S. SPR is buying again but has limited funds left. He argues Congress should recapitalize the account so the SPR can buy during a major selloff and support market stability. Post-game asset moves and technical setup across markets (Priority: 3/5): The chart review covers SPX, QQQ, Russell, VIX, USD/JPY, gold, uranium, and Treasury yields. The tone is cautious to bullish on gold and uranium, and bullish on bonds, while equities remain at pivotal resistance.

Key Arguments: Trump’s claim that OPEC is suppressing oil prices to help elect Harris is rejected; Johnston says OPEC is doing the opposite by withholding about 4 million bpd, the largest support since the 2008-09 crisis. Saudi Arabia’s current oil policy is driven by much higher fiscal break-even needs from Vision 2030 and PIF spending, not by a desire to flood the market. OPEC’s biggest risk is internal cohesion; the longer cuts last, the more likely members defect and the agreement breaks down. The most important short-term demand risk is China, where reported demand growth has slowed sharply and diesel is being displaced by LNG trucking. Backwardation is still present, but its rapid erosion signals that the market’s physical tightness is fading and could flip into contango if demand stays weak. U.S. shale is not dead; productivity improvements and better well economics have repeatedly offset lower rig counts, so forecast underestimation remains the safer assumption. A severe geopolitical shock involving Russia or the Middle East could cause both supply disruption and demand destruction; the net effect is uncertain, but supply losses could be enormous. The SPR should be recapitalized so the U.S. can buy aggressively during market stress rather than missing a strategic opportunity because funds or approvals are delayed.

Data Points: OPEC+ withheld supply: ~4 million barrels/day - Johnston said this is the realized tangible cut relative to October 2022 levels, excluding COVID-era cuts. Latest tranche of cuts to ease: 2.2 million barrels/day - OPEC had planned to begin easing this tranche starting in October over a year. Potential Brent price without OPEC support: Sub-$50 Brent - Johnston said if OPEC opened the floodgates, prices could plausibly fall below $50 per barrel. Chinese demand growth last year: Nearly 2 million barrels/day year-over-year - Used to illustrate the very strong base effect and why current flat demand could imply contraction. Chinese demand recent trend: Flatlining to outright contraction - Johnston said April and May full data show demand below year-ago levels. U.S. SPR refill purchases: 43.25 million barrels total - Total crude repurchased to date in the current refill effort. Latest SPR purchase: 4.65 million barrels - Most recent DOE purchase of U.S.-produced sour crude for the SPR. SPR remaining petroleum account balance: ~$1.2 billion - Johnston cited Deputy Energy Secretary David Turk on the remaining funding. Additional SPR buying capacity: ~15 million barrels - Approximate amount the remaining funds could buy at current prices. Saudi production level comparison: 11 million bpd to 9 million bpd - He said Saudi Arabia was producing about 11 million bpd at end-2022 and now about 9 million bpd. Saudi fiscal break-even: Above $100/bbl, around $105 - Bloomberg analysis referenced by Johnston including PIF spending. U.S. production: 13.3 million barrels/day - Post-game EIA inventory discussion; production was holding steady. EIA crude inventory change: -3.4 million barrels - Post-game weekly inventory print. Cushing inventory change: -1.1 million barrels - Post-game weekly inventory print. Gasoline inventory change: -3.7 million barrels - Post-game weekly inventory print. Distillate inventory change: +1.5 million barrels - Post-game weekly inventory print; only build on the board. SPX implied move for Aug 16 OPEX: ±130 points - Nick Larnick used this to frame near-term equity range. SPX resistance/support: 5,670 resistance / 5,500 support - Post-game technical levels for the S&P 500. QQQ implied move for Aug 16 OPEX: ±13 points - Post-game technical levels for Nasdaq-100. VIX level: ~16 - Post-game volatility regime remained elevated versus earlier in the year. USD/JPY move: Over 1,000 pips in a few weeks - Post-game discussion of a major yen trend shift. Gold upside target: 2,700 - Post-game technical target if bullish momentum continues. Uranium spot/share behavior: ~50% URNM rally in prior year after August 18 low - Used to argue current pullback may be a similar consolidation/bottoming setup. U.S. 10-year Treasury yield: 4.05% - Macro scoreboard; yields were breaking down toward six-month lows.

Pivotal Quotes: "OPEC is doing the exact opposite. It's going all out to support the price of oil." — Rory Johnston: Rebuttal to Trump’s claim that OPEC is suppressing oil prices for political reasons. "OPEC gets to choose whether or not prices this year and next are at around $80 a barrel or around $50." — Rory Johnston: On the scale of OPEC’s influence over global oil pricing. "I think that the whole agreement breaks down. And the ultimate bear scenario of all this crude coming back to the market comes all at once." — Rory Johnston: On the fragility of OPEC+ discipline over time.

Implications: Oil remains highly range-bound but vulnerable to a major breakout if demand weakens faster or geopolitical risks escalate. OPEC+ still has strong pricing power, yet China and shale are key swing factors. The SPR and bonds look supportive; equities and uranium are more event-driven.

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