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Talk Your Book: Anti-Carry

On today's show, the guys talk with Paul Kim of Simplify on how to sell vol and not get run over by the proverbial steamroller. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common Sense Michael Batnick’s The Irrelevant Investor Like us on Facebook And feel free to shoot us

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The Compound HostPaul Kim Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode centers on Simplify CEO Paul Kim explaining two ETF strategies: SPBC, which packages S&P 500 exposure with a 10% Bitcoin allocation via GBTC, and SVOL, which seeks to monetize VIX contango by selling volatility at a reduced 25% exposure while hedging with VIX calls. The hosts frame both as examples of ETFs bringing hedge-fund-like tools into accessible, tax-efficient wrappers.

Main Topics: Simplify's rapid growth and ETF innovation (Priority: 5/5): The hosts discuss Simplify's fast asset growth and the broader rise of active/thematic ETFs as investors seek differentiated exposures beyond plain index funds. SPBC: S&P 500 plus Bitcoin exposure (Priority: 5/5): Paul Kim explains how SPBC combines full S&P 500 exposure with a 10% GBTC allocation funded through futures/cash mechanics, aiming to give investors a simple Bitcoin sleeve inside a diversified portfolio. Bitcoin access, discounts/premiums, and portfolio sizing (Priority: 4/5): The discussion covers GBTC's discount/premium dynamics, why advisors may use the fund as a small toe-dip into crypto, and why even skeptics might justify a non-zero allocation. SVOL: selling volatility with a smaller risk budget (Priority: 5/5): Kim lays out SVOL as a volatility-income strategy that takes a 25% exposure to VIX futures carry rather than the more aggressive 50% or 100% products that blew up in past volatility spikes. Anti-carry overlay and tail hedging (Priority: 5/5): A key innovation is pairing carry (short volatility) with 'anti-carry' via VIX calls, intended to reduce drawdowns and improve outcomes when volatility spikes. Why the VIX curve offers carry (Priority: 4/5): Kim explains contango, implied volatility, option demand, and human uncertainty as structural reasons the VIX futures curve tends to offer persistent carry most of the time.

Key Arguments: ETF wrappers now allow strategies that previously lived mainly in hedge funds or would have been impractical before regulatory changes. SPBC is designed as a practical way for advisors to allocate a small Bitcoin exposure without abandoning core S&P 500 allocation. Using GBTC at a discount can effectively increase Bitcoin exposure, while ETF mechanics may also offer tax efficiency through in-kind rebalancing. Selling volatility is not inherently wrong; the problem is excessive sizing, as shown by XIV's collapse in 2018. SVOL reduces blow-up risk by using only 25% exposure to the VIX curve instead of 50% or 100%. Buying VIX calls with a small portion of carry creates an 'anti-carry' hedge that can soften crashes and even help in extreme spikes. The VIX term structure often remains in contango because uncertainty increases with time, which creates a persistent source of carry for sellers of volatility. The strategy is best understood as an income or carry product rather than a pure directional bet. A non-zero crypto allocation can be justified even by skeptics given Bitcoin's size relative to global investable assets.

Data Points: Simplify assets under management: more than $500 million - The hosts congratulate Simplify on crossing this mark in about nine months. Time to reach AUM milestone: about 9 months - Simplify's rapid growth pace since launching. ETF asset share of total ETF market: about 3.5% - Active/thematic ETFs are still a small share of total ETF assets. SPBC Bitcoin sleeve: 10% GBTC - Kim describes the Bitcoin exposure target inside the S&P 500 wrapper. SPBC equity exposure: 100% S&P 500 - The fund preserves full equity exposure while layering on Bitcoin via futures/cash management. GBTC discount: about 10% to 15% - Kim says the fund currently benefits from buying GBTC below nav. GBTC discount extreme: as low as 20% - A larger discount was mentioned as having occurred recently. Bitcoin market decline mentioned: about 50% - Used to explain why rebalancing thresholds were not hit frequently. Rebalance threshold high: 15% - If GBTC rises to 15%, SPBC rebalances back to 10%. Rebalance threshold low: 5% - If GBTC falls to 5%, SPBC rebalances back up to 10%. Bitcoin volatility: north of 50% - Kim uses this to explain why rebalancing and tax efficiency matter. Crypto market size: $1.5 trillion - Used to argue even skeptics may justify a small allocation. Global investable asset class size: $400 trillion - Used to frame Bitcoin as a small but non-trivial allocation in a global portfolio. SVOL exposure to VIX curve: 25% - Kim says this is the strategy's chosen sweet spot. Competing ETF exposure level: 50% - He references 50% products as common but riskier than SVOL's structure. Maximum volatility exposure discussed: 100% - XIV-style full inverse exposure is described as having blown up. VIX front-month carry: north of 100% annualized - Kim says a full short of the front month can generate extremely high carry in today's curve. Carry at 25% exposure: about 25% starting yield potential - Illustrates the math behind SVOL's expected income profile. Historic average VIX curve carry: about 45% to 50% annualized over 15 years - Kim says the curve has typically been steep enough to reward sellers of volatility. 80% to 85%: time the curve is normal contango - His estimate of how often the VIX structure reverts to a positive carry shape. Expected monthly return profile: about 2% per month - Back-of-the-envelope estimate derived from annualized carry potential. Past 15 years case study return: mid-5% annualized - A 25% unhedged VIX exposure back-test example. VIX spike example: from the teens to 82 - Describes March 2020 as a scenario where VIX call hedges would have helped significantly.

Pivotal Quotes: "picking up pennies in front of a stimulus" — Michael Batnick: A joking spin on the classic 'steamroller' metaphor for short-vol strategies. "we found that a 25% position is actually a pretty good sweet spot" — Paul Kim: Explains why SVOL uses smaller exposure than older volatility products. "when you marry a carry with an anti-carry, that combination is more robust" — Paul Kim: Summarizes the core design logic behind SVOL.

Implications: The episode shows how ETFs are evolving into toolkit products for advisors: simpler Bitcoin access, smarter volatility income, and lower-cost hedge-fund-like structures. Investors get more customization, but need to understand sizing and tail risk.

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