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Talk Your Book: Options Are Eating the Stock Market

On today's show we had Paul Kim from Simplify ETFs back on to discuss how RIAs are dealing with a low interest rate environment, dipping your toe into crypto, using options and leverage responsibly in a portfolio and more. Find complete shownotes on our blogs... Ben Carlson’s A Wealth of Common

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The Compound HostPaul Kim Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: The episode centers on Simplify Asset Management’s rapid growth and product strategy, especially thematic ETFs, leverage in fixed income, and crypto-enabled portfolio solutions. Paul Kim explains how advisor demand for alternative tools, market structure changes, and low-yield conditions have helped Simplify scale quickly. The conversation also explores passive flows, options market dynamics, and where advisors can find yield, hedging, and diversification in today’s markets.

Main Topics: Simplify’s rapid growth and advisor-driven distribution (Priority: 5/5): Paul Kim attributes Simplify’s fast asset growth to launching during the pandemic, leveraging Zoom to reach RIAs, and offering solutions that fit advisor pain points in a low-yield, high-volatility environment. Replacing or supplementing bonds with alternatives (Priority: 5/5): The discussion focuses on how advisors are using Simplify products as substitutes for parts of the bond sleeve or as a new alternatives bucket, especially as bonds lose some diversification and income appeal. Levered treasury exposure and risk parity (Priority: 5/5): Paul explains the Risk Parity Treasury ETF as a way to get TLT-like duration exposure more efficiently by concentrating exposure in the 10-year sector and using leverage, potentially freeing capital for other uses. Crypto exposure inside an equity wrapper (Priority: 5/5): They break down Simplify’s S&P 500 plus Bitcoin ETF, which gives 100% S&P exposure plus a 10% GBTC allocation, offering advisors a regulated way to add crypto exposure without changing core equity allocations. Market structure, passive flows, and options influence (Priority: 4/5): Paul argues that passive investing, shrinking float from buybacks and ETF ownership, and the growth of options trading have changed price formation and amplified the impact of concentrated flows. Volatility premium and income strategies (Priority: 4/5): The conversation covers how elevated demand for options creates opportunities for option sellers, especially in areas where crowded covered-call strategies have compressed returns and where Simplify sees attractive yield opportunities. Fixed income credit and inflation hedging gaps (Priority: 3/5): Paul says duration risk can be hedged, but credit risk remains difficult to protect efficiently, making it an area of ongoing R&D as investors worry about inflation and downturns.

Key Arguments: Simplify’s growth was accelerated by pandemic-era remote selling, which allowed the firm to reach hundreds of RIAs quickly instead of relying on in-person meetings. RIA demand is increasingly centered on portfolio gaps between stocks and bonds, creating room for solutions that target yield, lower volatility, or alternative return drivers. Leveraging low-volatility fixed income, especially the 10-year Treasury sector, can be a portfolio tool rather than a danger if financing is cheap and risk is controlled. The S&P plus Bitcoin ETF is designed as an on-ramp for advisors who want to add crypto exposure while keeping core equity allocation intact. GBTC can be used inside an ETF because it is a traded security, and its discount/premium dynamics can become part of the strategy rather than a problem. Passive flows and options market structure have materially changed how prices are set, making markets more flow-driven and potentially more fragile than in the past. Crowded covered-call strategies in major equity indices have reduced expected value, but options markets still offer attractive opportunities in less crowded exposures. Credit risk in fixed income remains underprotected relative to duration risk, and high-yield returns may not compensate investors enough for potential drawdowns.

Data Points: Assets under management: $1,075,000,000 - Simplify’s AUM as of January 3rd in the conversation. First ETF launch date: September 2020 - Paul says the firm’s first ETFs launched around Labor Day 2020. Simplify team size: about 20 people - Paul describes the firm as small but geographically distributed. Location footprint: intern in Canada; developer in Spain - Examples of the firm’s remote, globally distributed workforce. Thematic ETF assets globally: $227 billion - Referenced from an FT article about the rise of thematic ETFs. Thematic ETF growth: quintupled - Assets in thematic ETFs have quintupled, according to the discussion. New ETFs globally: 710 - The number of ETFs globally jumped by a record amount last year. S&P plus Bitcoin allocation: 10% Bitcoin exposure - Simplify’s SPBC ETF adds Bitcoin exposure via GBTC on top of 100% S&P exposure. Crypto exposure cap: 15% - Paul says the SEC has permitted up to a certain limit, and the fund rebalances near 15%. Treasury duration target: roughly 20 years of duration - Paul explains the Risk Parity Treasury ETF aims to replicate long-duration exposure through 10-year Treasuries. High-yield yields: 4% to 5% - Paul cites current high-yield yields as insufficient compensation for downside risk. March 2020 corporate bond drawdown: down 20% in a month - Used to illustrate that credit can behave like equity risk during crises. March 2020 investment-grade bond drawdown: down in the 20s - Illustrates severe drawdowns in credit during market stress. March 2020 high-yield drawdown: high 20s - Shows how risky credit can be during a severe selloff. Apple buybacks: about 30%+ of shares repurchased - Used as an example of shrinking public float via corporate buybacks. Option hedging multiplier: 8 to 10 times the underlying - Paul says market makers may need to hedge options with several multiples of the underlying exposure. Covered-call market size: tens of billions - He notes hedged equity/covered-call strategies have become a very large crowded trade. Volatility premium opportunity: mid-teens or higher yields - Paul says some volatility-selling strategies can generate mid-teens yields with modest risk, if done thoughtfully. Option volume milestone: options trading volume surpassed underlying equity trading volume - Cited as evidence of how central options have become to market structure.

Pivotal Quotes: "thematic is the new active" — Host: The hosts describe the explosive growth of thematic ETFs and how they are competing with traditional active management. "Leverage is like to a chef, a really sharp knife. You could chop a finger off, but if done right, you're going to use it very well." — Paul Kim: Paul explains when leverage can be useful in fixed income portfolios and why context matters. "we are a fairly loud voice in sort of the FinTwit world" — Paul Kim: Paul describes Simplify’s content-driven, opinionated brand strategy.

Implications: Advisors are increasingly using ETFs for portfolio engineering: replacing bond functions, adding crypto, and accessing leverage/volatility strategies. Market structure and options flow matter more, while traditional 60/40 assumptions are under pressure.

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