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Tech Stocks, Covid Sick Leave, The Winners of The Chip Shortage, and Guest Jonathan Greenblatt

Kara and Scott discuss The New York Times' plans to buy The Athletic, how Tesla adapted to the 2021 chip shortage, and the latest tech stock slide. Also, Amazon cuts paid leave time for Covid. Our Friend of Pivot is Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League. He'll discuss his

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Executive Summary: Pivot covers a volatile tech and media moment: falling tech stocks, the New York Times buying The Athletic, Tesla’s chip-shortage workaround, and a long interview with ADL chief Jonathan Greenblatt on rising hate, authoritarianism, and how social media and weakened civic norms can accelerate democratic breakdown. The episode mixes market analysis, platform criticism, and a warning that “it could happen here” if institutions fail.

Main Topics: Tech selloff and market rotation (Priority: 5/5): Scott argues the stock market’s early-2022 weakness stems from rising bond yields, inflated tech valuations, and the unwinding of speculative/meme-stock trades. Crypto, NFTs, and speculative assets (Priority: 4/5): The hosts debate crypto adoption, warning that while some innovation is durable, many coins may go to zero and hurt retail users—especially if they use leverage. New York Times acquires The Athletic (Priority: 5/5): They assess the Times’ $550 million buy of The Athletic as a bet on sports subscriptions, niche bundles, and higher retention, while noting execution risk and the Times’ mixed acquisition history. Tesla, vertical integration, and chip shortage (Priority: 4/5): Tesla’s ability to rewrite software and use different chips is framed as a vindication of vertical integration over outsourcing in critical supply chains. COVID policies, labor, and institutional fatigue (Priority: 3/5): The conversation examines Amazon’s reduced paid leave, case surges, and the tension between protecting public health and keeping society functioning, especially in vaccinated populations. Authoritarianism, hate, and democratic fragility (Priority: 5/5): Jonathan Greenblatt argues America is entering a dangerous phase marked by antisemitism, polarization, algorithmic amplification, and the possibility of democratic backsliding or worse. Media platforms and regulation (Priority: 5/5): The discussion turns to Facebook, Twitter, Fox, anonymity, Section 230, and the need for liability, friction, and possibly breakup to reduce hate and extremism online.

Key Arguments: Rising bond yields and falling bond prices are pushing investors out of stocks, especially overvalued tech names, accelerating the selloff. Meme-stock and “movement” valuations are unwinding; companies like GameStop and Virgin Galactic may still have substantial downside. Crypto contains real innovation, but most tokens are likely worthless long term; leverage in crypto is especially dangerous. The New York Times buying The Athletic makes strategic sense as a subscription and bundling play, if the Times can improve retention and pricing. Tesla’s chip-shortage resilience shows the value of vertical integration in essential components and software. Amazon, schools, and employers are being forced to adapt to a highly contagious COVID wave, with debate shifting toward living with the virus under vaccination. America may be entering a phase of social decay and authoritarian risk driven by hate, inequality, radicalization, and weak institutional guardrails. Social media platforms enable extremism through anonymity, algorithmic amplification, and lack of liability; meaningful reform may require slowing posts, reducing anonymity, and changing Section 230. Democracy is not self-executing; civic engagement, local participation, and countering dehumanization are necessary to prevent breakdown.

Data Points: SoFi refinance rate: as low as 4.24% APR - Sponsor ad for student loan refinancing SoFi membership: over 580,000 members - Sponsor ad claim SoFi refinancing volume: more than $50 billion - Sponsor ad claim The Athletic subscribers: 1.2 million - Referenced as of November before acquisition The Athletic acquisition price: $550 million - New York Times purchase price The Athletic revenue/losses: about $50–60 million revenue; about $50 million losses - Discussion of business economics and sustainability Amazon paid leave change: 10 days down to 7 days - Policy change tied to updated CDC guidance US known cases/day: around 650,000 - COVID surge discussion US workers home last week: 5 million - Workers forced to stay home due to COVID ADL findings on Capitol rioters: 21% had known white supremacist ties - Greenblatt cites ADL analysis Facebook advertiser base: 3 to 5 million - Greenblatt says this base is resilient/elastic Facebook quarterly revenue: $29 billion - Used to emphasize scale and power US prison spending: about $90 billion per year - Scott’s fail on incarceration Prison population rate comparison: 700 incarcerated per 100,000 - US rate compared with G7 nations G7 incarceration rate: 50 to 200 per 100,000 - Comparison cited by Scott State prison nonviolent share: about half (2015) - Convictions for non-violent drug, property, or public order crimes NY/NJ prison downsizing: 26% reduction (1999–2012) - Cited alongside falling crime rates NY crime drop after downsizing: 31% in New York; 30% in New Jersey - Crime fell despite lower incarceration COVID spread in prisons: 4x faster than cruise ships - Scott cites prison vulnerability

Pivotal Quotes: "It could happen here. Why America is tipping from hate to the unthinkable and how we can stop it." — Jonathan Greenblatt: The book’s premise and the episode’s central warning about democratic fragility "The definition of intelligence is your ability to hold two contrary thoughts in your mind at the same time." — Scott Galloway: On Elon Musk—acknowledging innovation while criticizing Tesla’s valuation "We need empathy. We need understanding. We need an intolerance of intolerance." — Scott Galloway: Closing takeaway after discussing authoritarianism and hate

Implications: Listeners are urged to rethink simple narratives: markets may be rotating, media/platform power is still growing, and democratic stability depends on active civic resistance, better regulation, and stronger social norms against dehumanization.

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With great power, comes great scrutiny. Every Tuesday and Friday, journalist Kara Swisher and NYU Professor Scott Galloway offer sharp, unfiltered insights into the biggest stories in tech, business, and politics. They make bold predictions, pick winners and losers, and bicker and banter like no one else. From New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

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