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The Fed's Rate Cutting Cycle Is Already Over | Jim Bianco on March Fed Meeting, Trump Tariffs, and 4/5/6 Markets

This Monetary Matters episode is brought to you by VanEck. Learn more about VanEck Uranium & Nuclear ETF: http://vaneck.com/NLRJack Jim Bianco returns to Monetary Matters to break down the March Federal Reserve meeting. He explains why he thinks tariffs are unlikely to cause a recession and shar

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Executive Summary: Jim Bianco argues the Fed’s new projections were broadly bearish for growth, inflation, and uncertainty, yet the market took them in stride because rate cuts are unlikely soon. He frames Trump’s tariff-and-deregulation agenda as an attempt to realign the economy, reduce debt and deficits, and shift burdens toward trading partners, but warns the adjustment will be uneven and volatile.

Main Topics: Fed meeting reaction and policy outlook (Priority: 5/5): The discussion opens with the Fed downgrading growth, raising inflation forecasts, and keeping rates unchanged. Bianco interprets this as a signal that the Fed’s cutting cycle likely ended in December and sees little reason for a May cut. Trump’s tariff strategy and economic realignment (Priority: 5/5): Bianco defends tariffs as a tool to rebalance globalization’s winners and losers, arguing they may help workers and domestic industry even if they pressure growth and prices in the short run. Debt, deficits, and the Mar-a-Lago Accord thesis (Priority: 5/5): A major theme is that the U.S. is trying to address unsustainable debt and deficits through tariffs, deregulation, and pushing allies to spend more on defense, rather than continuing the prior fiscal model. Market implications: stocks, bonds, credit, and volatility (Priority: 4/5): Bianco lays out a '4-5-6' framework: cash around 4%, bonds around 5%, and stocks around 6% over time, with near-term equity performance likely flat to modestly negative and credit less attractive than some alternatives. Inflation, imports, and GDP distortions (Priority: 4/5): He argues that weak GDP prints may be distorted by tariff front-loading and import surges, while underlying consumption is still running near 2% and may rebound when trade flows normalize. Europe and China as relative opportunities (Priority: 3/5): Bianco is more constructive on European equities than U.S. or Chinese equities, citing cheap valuations, defense spending tailwinds, and broader stimulus in Europe, while remaining skeptical of China’s rule-of-law and state-control risks.

Key Arguments: The Fed’s policy reaction function has shifted: after cutting in 2024 and pausing in 2025, it may not have enough justification to cut again in May if growth and nominal GDP remain subdued. Powell’s press conference came across as blaming Trump for current uncertainty, tariffs, and weaker growth, which Bianco views as unusually partisan for a Fed chair. Tariffs are not automatically 'bad'; they may raise inflation, lower real growth, or both, but can also be used as leverage to rebalance trade and support domestic workers. Trump’s approach is transactional rather than ideological: tariffs are being used as a negotiating weapon, so assuming they are permanent is analytically misleading. The U.S. global role has created a debt burden; Trump’s team appears to believe the country is in a fiscal crisis and needs a structural reset rather than a return to the old status quo. Higher defense spending by Europe and allies could reduce the U.S. burden, indirectly supporting the realignment thesis. A recession is not the base case; 2025 may be a low-return, volatile year rather than a catastrophic one. Stocks are expensive by historical standards, so future returns should be modest unless earnings surprise materially to the upside. Credit and duration are less attractive in an environment of sticky inflation and elevated rates; Bianco prefers taking credit risk over duration risk but is not bullish on broad credit spreads from here. Europe may outperform because valuations are cheap and defense/infrastructure spending is likely to support earnings, while China remains harder to trust due to government intervention and weaker rule of law.

Data Points: Fed rate cut probability for May 7: 23% cut / 77% hold - Market-implied odds immediately after Powell’s press conference Fed moves in 2024-2025 sequence: Cut 50 bps in September, cut in November, cut in December; paused in January and again today - Bianco’s summary of the latest policy cycle U.S. federal budget (last 12 months ending February): $7.1 trillion - Bianco cites the rolling federal budget size U.S. federal budget one year earlier: $6.0 trillion - Shows a $1.1 trillion increase in one year U.S. federal budget 10 years earlier: $3.3 trillion - Illustrates long-run growth in government spending U.S. budget deficit as % of GDP: About 6.5% - Bianco says this is the largest peacetime deficit in U.S. history Fed growth forecast for 2025/2026: Downgraded - Referenced in the opening discussion of the SEP Fed inflation expectations: Raised - Referenced in the opening discussion of the SEP Stock market correction: About 10% - Bianco cites the market already having corrected Shiller CAPE ratio: 37 - Used to argue future equity returns will be lower than historical norms Money market / cash return: About 4% - Bianco’s '4-5-6 markets' framework Bond return expectation: About 5% - Bianco’s expected average bond return over time Equity return expectation: About 6% - Bianco’s expected long-run stock return given rich valuations Expected real GDP growth from Fed: 1.7% for 2025 - Mentioned as weaker than recent growth, but not recessionary Private consumption growth forecast: Around 2% - Bianco says underlying demand is still hanging in there European stock ownership: Less than 33% of the public - Used to illustrate political risk around rising markets in Europe Mag 7 concentration in S&P 500: 33% - Example of high U.S. equity concentration SAP weight in German market: 16% - Illustrates concentration in European markets German stock market concentration: 10 stocks over 60% - Shows how concentrated European indices can be

Pivotal Quotes: "You've got kind of bad news, bad news, and bad news, right?" — Jim Bianco: His immediate reaction to the Fed’s downgraded growth outlook, higher inflation, and greater uncertainty "The rate cutting cycle ended in December." — Jim Bianco: Bianco’s core view that the Fed is unlikely to restart cuts soon "What he won't go back to is what we were doing on January 19th, 2025." — Jim Bianco: His argument that Trump and his team are trying to force a realignment rather than restore the old policy regime

Implications: Listeners should expect a volatile, politically driven macro backdrop: fewer Fed cuts, sticky inflation, and uneven asset returns. Bianco’s framework favors careful risk selection, relative-value opportunities in Europe, and skepticism toward assuming the U.S. can simply revert to the pre-2025 fiscal and trade model.

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