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The Great Moderation is Over. The Great Convergence is Here | Luca Paolini on What Comes Next

In this episode, we speak with Luca Paolini, Chief Strategist at Pictet Asset Management, about the firm’s 2025 Secular Outlook and the unfolding shift in global markets. Paolini argues that the era of U.S. exceptionalism is fading—and investors may be mispricing what comes next. We discuss why the

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Executive Summary: Luca argues the world is entering a “Great Convergence” in which U.S. dominance fades modestly as growth, inflation, policy, and returns become more aligned across regions. He sees slower U.S. growth, sticky inflation, higher debt/tariffs, and lower future equity returns, while favoring bonds, credit, EM debt, gold, and diversified/equal-weight portfolios over concentrated U.S. equity exposure.

Main Topics: The Great Convergence vs. prior market regimes (Priority: 5/5): The speaker frames the current era as a shift away from the Great Moderation and the post-GFC Age of Uncertainty toward a more balanced global regime where U.S. exceptionalism weakens and other regions catch up. Debt, tariffs, and slower global growth (Priority: 5/5): Rising public debt and protectionism are presented as structural headwinds that will raise inflation, reduce growth, and force eventual austerity or higher rates—especially in the U.S. U.S. exceptionalism is waning, not collapsing (Priority: 5/5): The U.S. remains the best place to do business, but its relative edge in technology, energy, and financial markets is narrowing, implying lower valuation premiums and less dominance in global portfolios. Income-generating assets are more attractive (Priority: 4/5): With equity returns likely muted, Luca argues bonds, credit, and EM debt offer better income opportunities, especially as investors age and need stable cash flows. AI boosts productivity, but not enough to offset macro drag (Priority: 4/5): AI should improve productivity, but the expected lift is modest relative to tariffs, taxes, and higher debt; markets may already be pricing in too optimistic an AI-driven growth surge. Concentration risk and portfolio diversification (Priority: 4/5): Market concentration in mega-cap U.S. tech is seen as a secular feature, but one that has likely peaked; investors should diversify by region, sector, and size, with more interest in mid caps and equal-weight approaches. Private assets, gold, and crypto as part of a broader toolkit (Priority: 3/5): Private equity is harder but still viable; private debt looks more attractive. Gold remains a long-term portfolio hedge, and crypto/tokenization are now mainstream enough to merit attention, though he remains skeptical on crypto personally.

Key Arguments: The Great Moderation was driven by falling inflation and rising valuations; the Age of Uncertainty was dominated by shocks and U.S. exceptionalism; the next regime is convergence because U.S. outperformance is less one-sided. Higher debt is not neutral: it either forces higher inflation and currency weakness or austerity and slower growth, especially in the U.S. where deficits have worsened the most. Tariffs are taxes, and higher tariffs inevitably reduce growth and discourage corporate investment due to uncertainty around input costs and trade policy. The U.S. is still the best place to do business, but the business cycle and fiscal stimulus are turning less favorable, so the premium on U.S. assets should shrink. Inflation is likely to stay sticky while growth slows modestly; that combination is less favorable for U.S. equities and supports income assets. The Fed should not cut preemptively because U.S. growth is still above trend, the labor market is solid, and fiscal deficits remain large; cuts should wait for clear weakness. U.S. exceptionalism is fading because tech leadership is being challenged, energy independence is less unique, and capital-market advantages are less obvious amid political risk and a weaker dollar. AI is real but overhyped in market expectations; productivity gains of roughly 0.2% to 0.3% per year may not be enough to justify current equity multiples. Bond yields and credit spreads now offer attractive income relative to the low expected return environment, making fixed income and credit more compelling than they were in the zero-rate era. Emerging market debt looks especially attractive due to cheap valuations, high real yields, weaker dollar expectations, declining EM inflation, and improving growth differentials. Private equity remains viable but the golden age is over; private debt is favored more because corporate balance sheets are strong and yields are appealing. Portfolio construction should shift away from a concentrated 60/40 mindset toward more diversified, equal-weight, multi-asset allocations including alternatives and gold. Longer-term, companies are staying private longer, and tokenization could make private-market access more scalable, reinforcing the secular growth of private assets.

Data Points: U.S. share of global GDP: 25% - Used to explain why U.S. growth disproportionately affects global markets and asset prices. U.S. share of global equities: about 64% to 70% - Illustrates the scale of U.S. dominance in global portfolios and why even small shifts matter. U.S. earnings share made in the U.S.: roughly 50% or more - Supports the claim that U.S. corporate fundamentals drive global equity performance. Expected U.S. trend growth: 1.5% - Luca’s forecast for U.S. growth over the next cycle, below recent averages. Fed estimate of U.S. trend growth: 1.8% - Referenced as a benchmark showing Luca expects growth to fall slightly below trend. Last five years’ U.S. growth: 2.6% per annum - Serves as the comparison point for the expected slowdown. U.S. fiscal deficit: almost 7% - Cited as evidence that fiscal conditions remain highly stimulative and unsustainable. Long-term Fed rate estimate: around 3% - Luca’s expected equilibrium policy rate over the next five years. U.S. current account/twin deficit: worst among EM and DM - Used to argue that U.S. macro fundamentals have deteriorated relative to peers. U.S. equity market share projected: 64% to 60% in 5 years - Shows the expected decline in U.S. market dominance, though not a collapse. Dollar depreciation expected: 10% to 15% over 5 years - Important driver of lower total returns for non-U.S. investors. AI productivity boost estimate: 0.2% to 0.3% per annum - Luca’s economists’ estimate of AI’s realistic macro impact. Alternative AI boost scenario: 0.5% per annum - Used in valuation modeling to show markets may already be pricing in a very optimistic outcome. Investment grade credit yield: around 5% - Cited as attractive income in a lower-return environment. High yield credit yield: above 7% - Presented as a compelling yield level given expected inflation trends. Inflation-linked U.S. 30-year bond real return: 2.6% to 2.7% per annum after inflation - Used to illustrate the attractiveness of long-duration real yields. European spreads vs Germany: below 100 bps - Evidence that the euro-area periphery has improved materially versus the core. Market concentration in tech: 25% of market cap - Example of how concentration has shifted to tech after prior eras centered on banks or energy. Potential portfolio gold allocation: 5% to 10% - Luca says gold should remain a strategic allocation regardless of valuation. Swiss currency hedging cost: 400 bps per annum - Used to explain why many foreign investors do not fully hedge U.S. exposure.

Pivotal Quotes: "The only thing that really matters for investors globally is U.S. growth." — Luca: Explaining why U.S. macro conditions disproportionately drive global asset prices. "Tariffs are taxes. Let's be very clear on this." — Luca: Summarizing why protectionism is a structural drag on growth and investment. "As an investor, now is the time to shift into bonds." — Luca: His most contrarian current allocation view, despite the long anti-bond consensus.

Implications: Listeners should expect lower U.S.-led returns, higher value in fixed income and credit, and greater need for diversification, currency awareness, and multi-asset thinking. The industry may also see more demand for private assets, tokenization, and non-U.S. exposure.

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