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The Rug Pull on Global Liquidity | Brent Johnson on Unwind of the Yen Carry Trade, and the Exaggerated Rumors of the Dollar’s Demise

Forward Guidance is sponsored by VanEck. Learn more about the VanEck Morningstar Wide MOAT ETF (MOAT) at https://vaneck.com/MOATFG. This interview was recorded on Friday, August 2, during Friday's sell-off but before the vicious sell-off on Monday. he did talk about the potential for an unwind

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Executive Summary: Brent Johnson argued that the recent selloff is a normal valuation reset, not yet a systemic crisis, but warned that a stronger dollar remains the key risk-off signal. He maintained his long-standing view that rising U.S. rates and a strong dollar can coexist with higher U.S. equities, while pressuring the rest of the world and potentially triggering future liquidity stress, currency breakdowns, and forced capital flows into U.S. assets, gold, and select asymmetric hedges.

Main Topics: Market selloff as valuation reset, not crisis (Priority: 5/5): Johnson said the early-August risk-off move looks orderly so far: a repricing after a strong run, with no major blowup yet in credit or broader markets. He said the question is whether it remains routine or becomes a deeper liquidity event. Dollar strength as the core global stress signal (Priority: 5/5): He reiterated that the dollar is the key barometer of global stress. In his view, the dollar tends to strengthen during true crises because it is the asset everyone scrambles for when liquidity disappears. Yen carry trade and Japan as a liquidity trigger (Priority: 4/5): He highlighted the Bank of Japan’s tightening and the yen’s sharp rally as a possible source of global deleveraging, forcing carry-trade unwinds and asset sales around the world. U.S. financial dominance and relative-strength framework (Priority: 5/5): Johnson argued that the U.S. should be judged relative to the rest of the world, not in isolation. He said the U.S. benefits from reserve-currency status, collateral preference, and global demand for Treasuries. Debt, fiscal doom loop, and repudiation through inflation/currency (Priority: 4/5): He accepted that the current debt path is unsustainable over time, but argued the U.S. is likely to ‘fall last.’ He described debt repudiation less as outright default and more as currency debasement, higher yields, or inflationary relief. Asymmetric hedges and option-like exposure (Priority: 4/5): Johnson emphasized small, convex bets rather than large directional positions—especially dollar-linked trades such as Hong Kong dollar puts—because they can protect against tail-risk scenarios without threatening the portfolio. De-globalization, tariffs, and geopolitics (Priority: 3/5): He said the world is moving toward less cooperation, more nationalism, and more use of the dollar as a geopolitical weapon, which will increase volatility and likely keep the dollar structurally supported.

Key Arguments: The recent selloff is mostly a valuation reset after an extended period of strong risk asset performance; it has not yet become a systemic financial crisis. A true crisis usually features a rising dollar, because investors worldwide scramble for dollar liquidity when credit contracts. The yen carry trade matters because Bank of Japan tightening can force global deleveraging and a liquidity rug pull. The U.S. is not ‘funded’ in the same way other countries are; reserve-currency status and Treasury collateral demand make U.S. assets structurally advantaged. Higher U.S. rates are not just a U.S. problem; they raise the funding hurdle for the entire world, especially emerging markets. The dollar’s strength may coexist with rising U.S. equities if global capital seeks safety and yield in U.S. large caps. Debt will likely be repudiated through soft mechanisms—currency weakening, inflation, capital controls, or yield suppression—more often than through direct default on dollar debt. Small asymmetric hedges are preferable to large macro bets because timing is uncertain even when the broad thesis is correct. De-globalization and geopolitical fragmentation reduce dollar supply abroad, which can intensify dollar scarcity and support further dollar strength. The U.S. can use the dollar system as leverage or a weapon, but doing so also increases stress for the rest of the global financial system.

Data Points: U.S. unemployment rate: 4.1% to 4.3% - Mentioned as the early-August labor market surprise that triggered the risk-off move. Market pricing for September Fed move: ~70% chance of a double cut - The market was pricing an aggressive September easing response to weak labor data. Market pricing for November Fed move: ~50% chance of double cuts in September and November - Used to illustrate how extreme rate-cut expectations had become. Yen move: 160 to 148 - Johnson cited the yen’s sharp appreciation after BOJ tightening as a possible liquidity shock. Hong Kong dollar peg range: 7.70 to 7.85 - He used the long-standing peg band to explain why downside options can be very convex. Global debt owed in dollars outside the U.S.: Over $30 trillion - Johnson said the rest of the world also carries massive dollar debt and cannot print it. U.S. debt: About $35 trillion - Referenced in contrast to the rest of the world’s dollar liabilities. Typical leverage against Treasuries: 98% to 99% - He said large institutions can post Treasuries as collateral with near-full leverage. Asymmetric allocation cap: No more than 5% of portfolio - He said their hedge allocation is intentionally small because timing risk is high. Specific hedge example size: 0.6% of portfolio - He used a Hong Kong dollar put example to show small sizing with potentially huge payoff. Potential leverage in Hong Kong dollar put trade: 500x to 700x - He described the convexity of a peg-break trade. VIX historical average over recent years: ~17 to 18 - He suggested volatility may be higher over the next several years than it has been recently. Dollar index reference level: 103 current, 113 peak in 2022 - Used to discuss how far the dollar could run in a stress scenario. Potential dollar stress targets: 125, 135, 170 - Johnson said these levels would indicate the Fed has lost control and financial breaks are likely. Gold long-term target: $5,000 - He reiterated a long-term bullish gold view. 2022 DXY high: 114 - Used as an example of how a strong dollar pressures the rest of the world.

Pivotal Quotes: "This will all end very, very badly. It just won’t end yet." — Brent Johnson: He summarized his long-term view of the global dollar/debt system while emphasizing that collapse is not imminent. "The dollar falling actually is what keeps the system going. It’s when the dollar goes higher that things start to break." — Brent Johnson: Core thesis explaining why dollar strength, not weakness, is the danger signal for the global system. "I think U.S. large cap equities will become the new treasuries." — Brent Johnson: He argued that capital fleeing global fixed income may increasingly seek safety in U.S. equities.

Implications: Listeners should view dollar strength as a warning sign for global liquidity stress and think in probabilities, not certainties. For portfolios, small convex hedges and U.S.-centric exposure may remain favored if de-globalization and volatility continue.

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