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TIP387: Precious Metals Masterclass w/ Tavi Costa

Trey Lockerbie sits down with Tavi Costa to get his take on the macro environment and how he believes precious metals will outperform in the near term. Tavi is a partner and portfolio manager at Crescat Capital and is Trey's favorite resource when it comes to precious metal research. IN THIS EP

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Executive Summary: Tavi Costa argues the macro environment is structurally inflationary due to wealth transfers to lower-income households, persistent supply constraints, monetary/fiscal dilution, and deglobalization led by U.S.-China rivalry. He believes these forces make tangible assets—especially gold, silver, and select miners—more attractive, while China poses a major deflationary/exogenous risk that he hedges with short yuan exposure.

Main Topics: The Four Pillars of Inflation (Priority: 5/5): Costa frames inflation as driven by wealth transfers and stronger demand, supply constraints and wage pressure, monetary/fiscal dilution, and long-term deglobalization away from China. Wages, Goods, and Inflation Feedback Loops (Priority: 5/5): He expects a self-reinforcing cycle where higher costs push wages up, which then pressures companies to raise prices again, making inflation more persistent than 'transitory' views suggest. Fed Constraints, Treasury Demand, and Policy Traps (Priority: 5/5): Costa argues the Federal Reserve is trapped between allowing rates to rise or continuing asset purchases, and that foreign demand for U.S. Treasuries is weakening, increasing reliance on the Fed as buyer of last resort. Gold as a Monetary and Macro Hedge (Priority: 5/5): He views gold as cheap versus equities, monetary base, and even broader commodities, and sees gold miners and explorers as leveraged ways to benefit from the macro backdrop. Silver as the Most Asymmetric Opportunity (Priority: 5/5): Costa is highly bullish on silver, citing its scarcity, its role in both monetary and industrial systems, and a long-term technical setup that could produce an explosive breakout. Palladium, Platinum, and the Broader Commodity Complex (Priority: 4/5): He sees attractive opportunities across commodities, with precious metals looking strongest on valuation and fundamentals, while energy and base metals also benefit from the commodity super-cycle backdrop. China as the Biggest Exogenous Risk (Priority: 5/5): Costa worries China’s banking system, credit bubble, and policy crackdown could trigger a devaluation and global deflationary shock, motivating hedges like short yuan positions and long gold.

Key Arguments: Inflation is being fueled by a transfer of wealth toward the bottom 50%, which should raise demand for goods and services. Supply-side constraints are structural, not temporary: underinvestment in mining, exploration, logistics, and skilled labor means shortages can persist for years. Wage growth is likely to accelerate because labor markets are tight and inflation in living costs tends to force compensation higher. Monetary policy is being used to suppress real rates and reduce the cost of capital, which dilutes fiat currencies and supports hard assets. Deglobalization and the U.S.-China shift will be inflationary because production is moving away from the lowest-cost manufacturing base toward more expensive domestic capacity. Official CPI understates real inflation; Costa cites ride-share, used cars, and agriculture as examples of prices rising faster than headline measures imply. The Fed is boxed in: it can either tolerate higher rates and risk market stress, or keep buying Treasuries and worsen inflation. Gold and silver are attractive because they offer monetary hedging, scarcity, and leverage to a world increasingly seeking tangible stores of value. Silver is especially compelling because it is both a monetary metal and an industrial input tied to future technology and electrification. China is the major tail risk because its banking system is large, its economy is highly leveraged, and a yuan devaluation could ripple globally. The best way to express the thesis is to own tangible assets and, as insurance, short the Chinese currency and hold U.S. dollars. Within miners, exploration companies offer the most upside leverage, while royalty and major producers offer safer exposure.

Data Points: Bottom 50% wealth increase: Large increase - Costa says Fed/fiscal policies have increased net worth especially for the bottom half of the population, boosting demand. Inflation on Costa's internal calculations: Low double digits YoY - He says real inflation appears well above official CPI. Gold move from 2018 to Aug. 2020: About 75% up - He cites this as evidence gold was pricing in policy and macro stress early. Gold move in 2020: About 25% up - He says gold still served as a capital protection asset during the year despite later lagging. CPI intra-city transportation component growth since Jan. 2018: About 5% - He argues this understates actual ride-share inflation. Ride-share price increase reported by Yahoo Finance: About 90% - Used as an example of CPI understatement. One out of five workers: Engaged in a labor protest in 1919 - Historical reference to post-pandemic wage/labor unrest. Foreign investors' share of U.S. Treasury issuance in 2020: 5.2% - Used to illustrate weakening foreign demand for U.S. debt. U.S. bank lending priority: Banks now lend more to government than households and businesses - Evidence that Treasury absorption is becoming more central than private-sector lending. China banking assets: Closer to $50 trillion - He says this is around 300% of GDP and a key systemic risk. China banking assets as % of GDP: About 300% - Used to argue China may be vulnerable to a credit bust. Food stamps increase: 27% - Cited as an example of direct fiscal transfers that can be inflationary. Silver price threshold: Below $30/oz - He says silver is unusually cheap given the macro backdrop. Current commodity-to-equity ratio: Near a 50-year low - Supports his bullish view on commodities versus equities. Exploration portfolio size: 90 companies - Costa says his team owns a large basket to diversify high-risk exploration exposure. Typical market cap of many gold/silver companies: Sub-$200 million - Shows why the sector can be early-stage and illiquid. Target stake in some early-stage companies: 20% to 10% - He describes taking meaningful positions in sub-$20 million market-cap companies. Potential portfolio hit if China thesis is wrong: 1% to 2% - He frames the yuan short as insurance with limited downside.

Pivotal Quotes: "I think the inflation is the path of least resistance." — Tavi Costa: On why the Fed is likely to keep policies accommodative rather than allow a deflationary shock. "Silver is the cheapest metal on earth... and it's the most asymmetric opportunity in the markets today, in my opinion." — Tavi Costa: His strongest bullish statement on silver's relative valuation and upside potential. "What are they going to pick? Would they allow interest rates to rise and create a reckoning moment for the equity market... or would they be the buyer of last resort?" — Tavi Costa: Describing the Federal Reserve's policy dilemma and why he expects ongoing support for markets.

Implications: Listeners should expect persistent inflation pressure, continued policy support, and a stronger case for real assets over financial assets. Costa’s framework points toward gold, silver, miners, and commodity exposure as hedges, with China-related risks requiring defensive currency positioning.

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