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TIP553: Why Hard Assets are Positioned to Outperform w/ Tavi Costa

On today’s episode, Clay Finck brings back Tavi Costa to chat about the beginning of a commodity supercycle. Tavi gives a masterclass in why we are just in the beginning phases of a bull market for gold, silver, and hard assets like commodities. Tavi is a partner and portfolio manager at Crescat Cap

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Stig Brodersen HostTavi Costa Guest

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Episode Summary

Executive Summary: Tavi Costa argues that the macro regime is shifting in favor of commodities, gold, silver, and select miners due to structurally higher inflation, chronic underinvestment in natural resources, rising fiscal deficits, and deglobalization. He also expects S&P 500 earnings and valuations to compress, while gold benefits from yield curve inversions, central-bank buying, and waning faith in Treasuries and 60/40 portfolios.

Main Topics: Commodities vs. financial assets regime shift (Priority: 5/5): Costa says commodities are historically cheap relative to equities after decades of falling rates, underinvestment, and investor neglect, setting up a long-duration outperformance cycle for tangible assets. Inflation as a secular trend (Priority: 5/5): He outlines four pillars of inflation—wages, resource underinvestment, fiscal spending, and deglobalization—and argues these forces point to structurally higher inflation rather than a temporary spike. Earnings and valuation risk in equities (Priority: 5/5): Costa expects S&P 500 earnings to roll over as margins get squeezed by labor, capital, and materials costs, which should compress already elevated equity valuations. Gold's relative advantage after yield curve inversions (Priority: 5/5): Using a broader yield-curve inversion metric, he argues gold outperforms equities after major inversion signals and is especially attractive during recessionary or stagflationary periods. Treasury distrust and central-bank gold buying (Priority: 4/5): He says foreign central banks are reducing Treasury exposure and increasing gold reserves because gold is a neutral reserve asset while Treasuries face inflation, rate, and default risks. Asymmetric opportunity in gold miners (Priority: 4/5): Costa favors smaller exploration and development companies over large-cap producers, arguing the majors have aging assets, weak growth, and poor reinvestment discipline. Brazil and selected emerging markets (Priority: 3/5): He frames Brazil as a commodity-rich, geopolitically neutral BRICS alternative with cheap assets and strong leverage to a commodity boom, while also mentioning opportunities in Bolivia.

Key Arguments: Commodity prices are depressed relative to equities after a multi-decade period of lower rates and investor preference for financial assets. Natural resource industries have been chronically underinvested, so future supply growth will lag demand and support higher prices. Inflation is not over; wage pressure, fiscal deficits, deglobalization, and resource constraints should keep it elevated. The S&P 500 has likely entered an earnings downturn because margins are being squeezed from both labor and input costs. Equity valuations are vulnerable because they are starting from historically expensive levels while fundamentals may deteriorate. Gold tends to outperform stocks after broad yield curve inversion signals, especially when the cycle turns recessionary or stagflationary. Treasuries are becoming less reliable as defensive assets because of inflation risk, rate risk, and changing central-bank demand. Central banks are already shifting reserve composition toward gold, which should provide a structural bid for the metal. The best upside in the gold complex may be in small explorers and developers, not the major producers tracked by ETFs. Brazil stands to benefit from a commodity super-cycle because its economy is heavily tied to natural resources and it remains relatively neutral among major geopolitical blocs.

Data Points: U.S. CPI peak: 9.1% - Referenced as the inflation peak in mid-2022. Most recent CPI reading cited: 5.0% - March 2023 reading mentioned as evidence inflation cooled but remained elevated. Commodity-to-equity ratio: Well below historic average - Used as Costa's macro chart to argue commodities are unusually cheap versus equities. Gold relative performance after yield curve inversion: +72% average vs. S&P 500 over 24 months - Average relative outperformance cited after inversion signals. Gold vs. S&P 500 after 1973-74 inversion: +147% relative outperformance - Highlighted as a stagflation-era example of gold leadership. Yield curve inversion threshold: 70% of curve spreads inverted - Costa's proprietary recession signal based on the percentage of inverted Treasury curve spreads. U.S. Treasury cash balance: About $200 billion - He cited this as a low buffer ahead of large Treasury issuance. March fiscal deficit: Over $300 billion - Used to show how quickly the Treasury cash balance could be depleted. Defense spending share of GDP in the 1960s: About 9% - Compared with less than 3% today to argue defense spending has room to rise. Defense spending share of GDP today: Less than 3% - Supports his fiscal-spending inflation pillar. China's U.S. Treasury holdings in 2013: Over $1.3 trillion - Shown as a high-water mark before significant selling/decline. China's U.S. Treasury holdings today: Approaching $900 billion - Illustrates foreign reserve diversification away from Treasuries. Decline in China's Treasury holdings: About $400 billion - Used to support the thesis of foreign selling of U.S. debt. Silver mine cash-flow leverage: $15-20 million per $1 silver move - Used as an example of high operating leverage in mining assets. Brazilian market characterization: Highly commodity-exposed and geopolitically neutral - Described as the 'Switzerland of the BRICS'.

Pivotal Quotes: "We are just at the beginning of this uptrend for the commodity to equity ratio." — Tavi Costa: His core macro thesis on relative value between tangible assets and financial assets. "Those are the four pillars of inflation: wages and salaries, the natural resources underinvestments, the reckless amount of fiscal spending, and de-globalization." — Tavi Costa: Costa's framework for why inflation should remain structurally higher. "I do think that the age of the 60/40s is over." — Tavi Costa: His view that traditional stock-bond portfolio construction will need to change.

Implications: Investors may need more commodity, gold, and resource exposure, while reducing reliance on long-duration bonds and expensive equities. The next decade could reward contrarian positioning in miners and commodity-rich countries like Brazil.

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